Delay with plugin in feedback loop?

[bleebsen]

Hi!

Just wondering why I've never seen something like this:

I'd like to have a delay plugin, which itself could host any VST plugin to be inserted in the feedback loop.

Does this sound like a job for Energy-XT? Any other ideas? What if the plugin in the feedback loop had a high latency (convolution plugins f.e.) ?

yours
bleeb

[shamann]

I've spoken to developers about this. I think the biggest reason is the uncertainty of hosting (because lots of other plugins are crashy) would not be all that much fun to support.

[Sickle]

shamann, where are we at with feedback loop VST's anyways? I realized that Streamboy doesn't do it, and Senderella's pretty sensitive; too sensitive(unless I'm using it wrong).

What do we have that can be used in eXT?

[diverdee]

Can feedback lops like this be built in reaktor?
One can do it to a certain extent using reason (but tbh i've never really messed with setting feedbacks up in reason).

[Sickle]

Can feedback lops like this be built in reaktor?

Short answer: Yes.

But they only work from within 1 instance of Reaktor which limits the usefullness, and have sensitivity issues like Senderella, although this could be fine tuned somewhat..

[fabi]

i guess audiomulch comes in handy at times like this. here's to hoping xt2 will feature feedback loops.

[loophead]

Could be done in Plougue Biddle which can then itself be instantiated as a VST.

[shamann]

shamann, where are we at with feedback loop VST's anyways?

I do all my feedback loops in Audiomulch. A module/plugin can't connect to itself, but just connect it to a gain module then back to itself. As loophead says, you can do it with the registered version of Bidule, too. VAZ Modular does it, too, but I don't use plugins too often in it.

Last time it was mentioned regarding eXT, Jorgen seemed interested.

I thought Streamboy did do it? I've never liked using Senderella for feedback, something always seemed to go wrong for me when I tried. You could try jaltoh's soundbus. Not sure how it deals with feedback, it's been so long since I've used it. Strikes me it was crashy, too, but it might do the trick now, and has maybe had some bug fixes since.

[robenestobenz]

I tend to use TobyBear's Mixbox and then defer the role to senderella once I run out of channels. Both have always worked fine.

[bleebsen]

Thanks for your replies. So there's no out-of-the-box solution at the moment?

My money is on Alexey! C'mon!!! You can do it!

[duncanparsons]

There are massive problems with it. I am mid dev on something that plays with the delay feedback path.

For instance, as soon as you put a filter in there, you are asking for trouble.. you need very strict limits on what the plug is allowed to push out, and beware of the massive overload potential

Other than that.. well.. nothing really

DSP

[cron]

Just adding my voice to the Audiomulch cause...

Source --> Voxengo Sample (or time) Delay ---> SGain (value controls feedback level) ---> VST effect of your choice ---> back to Voxengo...

[loophead]

What ever method you use just slam a good limiter after what ever plug you insert onto the feedback path. Easiest way to keep things under control.

[AdmiralQuality]

Just want to get reminders about this thread. Nothing to add (just yet).

[9b0]

This is a solution in ExT (Mixer 1 and Mixer 2 are mixers with 2 channels):

Master In -> Mixer 1 input 1/2
Mixer 1 -> Simple delay plugin
Simple delay plugin -> VST effect
VST effect -> Mixer 1 input 2/2
VST effect -> Mixer 2 input 1/2 (wet signal)
Master in -> Mixer 2 input 2/2 (dry signal)

The feedback level is controlled by the level of Mixer 1 channel 2.

I hope, this helped a bit.