KVR Audio

chal7ds · Post by **chal7ds** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:55 pm

Hey,

I'm lookin for those low-end boomy subs that you hear in jungle beats a lot..sound like 808's but much more punch and reverb and attack..what plugin has this?

appreciate any help finding..thanx...
chal7ds

DWb · Post by **DWb** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:59 pm

Didn't notice this thread initially, hope you're still around.

If you mean the sub used in the basslines (rather than the kicks in the beat), it's an 808 kick used as a pitched sample. Stick a lowpass filter on top to kill some of the thump and makes it a bit more subby, then add a little distortion and stuff like you would any other bass.

slerbo · Post by **slerbo** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:04 pm

Just take in young 'Boxy's post
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1800320
He has 'em in piles and he wants to give 'em away.

sonicfire · Post by **sonicfire** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:12 pm

throw in a sine wave - there you go

peter_martin · Post by **peter_martin** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:20 pm

Having a good well tuned sub speaker you know and that your ears trust is #1

#2 is to listen to your favorite sounding records with those basslines you love that rip it up.

#3 just try and emulate that, a simple sine wave (as suggested earlier) helps. Though its not as simple, listen to different synths and how they react. Go with the one that feels best.

The Autria (sp?), and Gforce styled plugins do the best work IMO for softsynths, esp on low end. The Prophet keyboards make some wicked low end too. There are a TON of free samples you can download that are suprisingly very useful for that kind of stuff.

#4 and finaly, compression. Control of the sound is just as important as any of the other steps. 3-5db of attn is pretty recomended, any more than that will squish your sound. Remember the more you compress the smaller and less dynamic impact the sound has. Stay the hell away from hard limiters, they can turn a smooth bass sound into caca in the club in seconds flat

don't be lazy with your sounds, and it takes mucho effort to get somethings to sound right. Sometimes hours, or days, but in the end its worth it.

Good luck with your gnarlz bazzez!
Peter

Barf · Post by **Barf** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:53 pm

Arcdev Mainliner X2:
http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/

splattered · Post by **splattered** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:07 pm

Barf - Thanks! I will tinker around with this when i get home... the descriptions sound great

Bonteburg · Post by **Bonteburg** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:23 pm

err, meanbeat.cbj.net has a cool set of analogue drums and basses, some of which are quite heavy.
At least they did when i checked last, some time last year...

On another note: samples =20% . equing/compressing/mxing =80%, if not 10/ 90

Marco

edit, seem to have moved!
http://home.no.net/okval/samples.htm

splattered · Post by **splattered** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:51 am

Arcdev Mainliner X2:
http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/

Ok i went to the website, downloaded some of the programs that had neat descriptions, and then i tried installing one... when i pointed cyclotron to my vst plugin folder and tried to open it in cubase, it doesnt show up in the vst instrument list at all... even though the folder/dll is all there. help?

Also, i installed mainline and it actually shows up and opens within cubase... but how do i use this program? When i've tinkered around with NI/Korg vsts, they install a complete front end that i can open up outside of sequencers and play around with, but with these it doesn't do that... i don't have my midi controller plugged in at the moment. If i plug it in do i just jab at the keys on my midi controller and it will all be sent through mainline? It doesn't seem to work with my keyboard keys like some other vsts do.. errr dunno if i'm making sense.

I hate being a n00b sometimes

haha

*Edit - I also just tried to install ET-200 and it doesnt show up in the vst instrument list either... ahhhh

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:40 am

I *think* Cyclotron is an effect not an instrument, you will need to use it as a send or insert effect on another instrument.

splattered · Post by **splattered** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:01 am

Ahhh i don't even know how to go about doing that yet... poo i was hoping they were all something i could toy around with.

Here is the description:

Cyclotron X2Welcome back Cyclotron, oh mightiest of pitchshifting realtime granular sample&fuckuperers. Reborn with extra added glitchery, modulation and a cool game-inspired shell, CYX2 will indeed eat your beats for breakfast. Mind the children, now.screen d/load

splattered · Post by **splattered** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:15 am

Ohhh ok, they show up under the audio/plugins section in cubase... i get it.

Thx

stk · Post by **stk** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:16 am

Mainliner is an instrument.. You'll need to send midi to it (thru your controller or midi tracks in cubase).

Cyclotron is an effect, you'll need to insert it over an audio track.

cheers,
sk / adNi

syncopated_silence · Post by **syncopated_silence** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:24 am

hey what can be boomyer than a pure sine wave am i right?
i agree with the above... try hipass your bass sound and then layer the same notes underneath with some sine waves.

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:51 pm

You can make a sine wave sound heavy but unless you mess with the pitch of sample an 808 you wont get the punch very easily. Most of the time it was an 808 kick sample with loop points to loop 1 or 2 sine waves. Maybe then it was sent through a compressor for a bit more punch.

808 mods that allowed you to pitch the kick via MIDI were also popular back in the day.

Synth1 is good for 808 kicky bass with it's "M. Env" that you can link to the pitch to make it kick nice. To this day I still use 808 samples though.

where can i get those boomy low-end subs you hear in jungle?