UPDATED: review of Axiom 61 with Receptor- oh yeah, baby!

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Axiom 61 is the ideal gigging 61-note controller for Receptor if you are willing to put up with the minor quirks. First, the minor quirks. It uses the same keyboard mechanism as the Prokeys88sx, which is a quite decent keyboard except it is prone to velocity transition jumps. Reviewers of the Prokeys88sx, upon hearing these volume discontinuities, thought the problem was due to mismatched sample velocity transition points, but it appears to me that it is the keyboard mechanism that is the issue, as the exact same volume discontinuities appear on the Receptor libraries I use, - Colossus Steinway B, Silver Steinway and JABB piano all exhibit the same behavior. It's not so annoying as to make the board unusable, but some better quality control at the keyboard manufacturer's end would be great fro everyone. Frankly, I would LOVE to see M-Audio do a lightweight 76 AND 88-note version, with better quality components all around and double the price. It would be well worth it, especially if they added the breath controller interface,,, :D

But the good news, previous readers - I have the drum pads triggering patch changes on the B4 II. So one generic organ patch has 8 presets - and this of course can be done with any synth or sampler that responds to patch changes on the fly, without reloading two gigs of piano library...

But why did it not work before? The manual is in error - it calls for you to put the patch into data 2. But if you read the screen on the Axiom, it wants data 1=patch, data 2=bamk LSB and data 3=bank MSB. Another example of real-world mods not making it to the printer.

But I absolutely love this thing for its power and flexibility. Combined with the Receptor, it' is a killer rig!!!

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ORIGINAL REVIEW BEGINS HERE FOR FIRST-TIME READERS

I have now spent almost ten whole minutes with the Axiom 61 attached to the Receptor's USB port, and a Prokeys88sx attached to the midi port. I brought up the multi that I had created for the 88sx and Roland XP30 with the Voce drawbar controller (expecting that it would not properly control any of the ancillary functions, they are not mapped into the Axiom.)

I used the Axiom's own B4 preset (#13) so the drawbars would work, and brought up the channel for lower manual on the prokeys (lower) manual.

It works GREAT! I will have to map the controllers on the Axiom, but it's pretty straightforward, and you can do just about anything you could think of with every control. It ships with no AC adapter so the USB port was the power source. No problem sourcing from the Receptor. Controls feel ok for what they are - knobs on the encoders are small, but the knurls make it easy to feel secure turning them, and the controls are stepped, so it's very comfortable feeling. It feels strange pulling drawbars on those sliders, but a LOT better than the CME sliders (opinions may vary, but this is arguably closer to the "Hammond Experience" and they're fine for synth performance sliders, if you aren't a linebacker for the Rams. A really nice feature is that the display shows you the controller's exact value when you move it, so repeating a value is easier.

Everything so far seems to be a carefully considered tradeoff between price and usability, and usability won most of the time. There is a very solid feel to it, the keyboard feels pretty good for this type of instrument. Fit and finish was not as good as the one on display at NAMM, and are obviously minor casualties in the cost/feature/pricepoint wars, but I believe they have chosen pretty wisely in general.

I have only one very real issue with it for live performance. But it IS a very real potential problem, and I'm hoping one of you knows a way to solve it.. The Store button is right next to the Recall button, and the process is like this - press Store (or Recall) and then a 2-key selection between 1 and 20 on the number pad. That's it. There is no 'Are You Sure' prompt for the store finction, and here is my nightmare scenario - on stage in front of a couple thousand fans, in the middle of a screaming solo, you reach for a preset change. You press Recall, then 1 and 4 to call up your main solo patch, but a moment later realize you pressed Store, not Recall - and wiped out your complex solo patch!!!

You can save the Axiom's presets to disk, as a Sysex dump, so the presets can be restored. Anybody know of a sysex player that could play the file from the Receptor into the Axiom via the USB port? Can Kontact 2? I own it, but only have used it to play the Garritan Strad violin, but not yet on Receptor.

In the meanwhile, I will use this as a one-song-per-preset rig, or more likely, one setup per preset, as the pressure pads can be used to call up patch changes. So I only need one BN4 setup, then i can use the pads for presets, the zone/Group buttons for switch-type parameters like the B4 percussion settings - you can even specify the two values to toggle between, not just 0 or 127, so I can use 40 and 68 for percussion harmonic 2nd and 3rd.

Most of the references in this review are organ-centric, because that is the primary driving force behind my creating this rig - I need a B3 on the gig, but will not carry one. But i also have Colossus, Silver, JABB, and FM7, and I'd like to have had the horsepower to add Slayer2 and virtual Piano, but they both are total hogs.

But even with the one glaring flaw, I love it! It is a great piece of gear, and the combination of Axiom 61, Prokeys88sx and Receptor is a match made in Taiwan... :D

UPDATE:

After spending time programming the unit, I have found a couple more odd things - the Zone/Group switches act as toggles, so you can switch on and off things like percussion or vibrato - but they do not have a toggle mode for press once on, press again for off. In theory, the pressure pads DO have this capability - but I cannot get it to work. I can set up the Transport buttons for this function and it works, but does not latch, so the change is only active while you are holding down the button. I have Overdrive, Hum/Leakage and Keyclick working perfectly, but the toggles are not functioning for some reason. I'll update as I learn more.

FURTHER UPDATE - the manual clearly states the assignable buttons ARE supposed to function as binary toggles, it appears they are not doing this. I will contct the manufacturer and see what they say.

FINAL UPDATE ON THIS ISSUE - IMPORTAN!!!

This is a Receptor memory issue - when I went through it with M-Audio tech support, I tried it with a less-busy multi, and it works perfectly. It appears that if ssomething is not functioning as it should, this should be the first test - open a blank multi and try it by itself.

So now I need a 4G RAM machine - when's Rev D coming out? :D :love: :love: :love:
Last edited by thesoundsmith on Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:09 am, edited 4 times in total.
Dasher
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Thanks Dasher for the review, it's been long awaited coming out, that's the keyboard, not your review lol.

I have the CME UF7 currently, but am thinking of losing an octave and getting something much lighter waterfall keys. The only thing about CME i hate other than that is that I can't assign any buttons to the chorus/percussion switches on B4. Can you assign the touch pads on the Axiom to do this or are there some other buttons that will do the job for this?

I have the B4D but I'll be honest in that I have'nt used it yet, it's not working fully in receptor (for me) and I can'y figure out where to put it on gig's! It's tto big to even sit on top of the CME.

Thanks

c3boy

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Thanks for that.

Now, I wonder why some USB keyboards can send MIDI via USB whilst it doesn't work with others. Hum...

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Kermit, I think it is about being fully compliant? Not everybody implements full (or correct) comliance to all tech specs...

c3boy - Axiom is not waterfall, but it's close, there is still a small lip. What's odd is they didn't cover the front of the keys up to the usual spot on the keybed, and the keys are only fully finished to the usual spot, so they have a sort-of buck-toothed look to them. B4D I have never tried, but I would think thak you could use B4 II to reassign whatever controls that are out of order (MIDI Learn?) I use the Voce controller, though with the Axiom I won't need it, and don't really have room for it.

The Axiom B4 preset #13 is really a strgange bird, though, it's more for showing off than playing. The drawars work on the upper manual. The 61-note keyboard is split with the lower half playing the lower manual. The Pressure pads are set to trigger the C Major scale on the pedals. And the Zone keys change presets and Group buttons change edit views. I have to nearly completely remap their preset to be useful.

But I CAN!!! :D My plan is - drawbars to drawbars, rotary encoders to volume, keyclick, hum and overdrive, also possibly vibratlo/chorus amount, Zone Switches to Percussion controls - you can define the toggle values. Group controls for Vibrato On/Off upper and lower, Leslie brake and still have two left over. I will use the touchpads as preset selectors.

It will all work cleanly, I'm sure.
Dasher
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please keep the info coming. i ordered an axiom 61 yesterday (should be here tuesday) for use with receptor over usb.

when you say 'keyboard mechanism' in your description of the volume discontinuities, are you talking about the mechanical keys?

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I'm talking about the piano keyboard. from the look and feel, the 88sx and the Axiom line use the same mfgr's mode. just different sizes, but same mechanism. It appears to have some incomsistencies. As I have have not yet connect the Axiom to my sequencer/studio setup, I can't very well document it, but eventually, when the live rig is solid and done, I will look into it further.

But see my latest post for USB info...
Dasher
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