please read the discussion at
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=149064
it's about the question: do we need some kind of rule to
prevent biased votes from betatesters or devs in this competition?
Poll for all devs about voting
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- DASH Guy
- 8154 posts since 20 Sep, 2001
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- DC TC
- 2518 posts since 30 May, 2004
voted "no rule"
the best, the most, the phattest :p
all these terms are relative. i think the main concern for the voting process is preventing technical fraud (eg multiple votes under different names)... as far as psychological fraud goes (eg voting for favorite developer, voting for tested application, not voting for a developer because of dislike), there isn't much we can do. unless of course, we implement your suggested method of preventing biased votes. so let's see how this poll goes.
the best, the most, the phattest :p
all these terms are relative. i think the main concern for the voting process is preventing technical fraud (eg multiple votes under different names)... as far as psychological fraud goes (eg voting for favorite developer, voting for tested application, not voting for a developer because of dislike), there isn't much we can do. unless of course, we implement your suggested method of preventing biased votes. so let's see how this poll goes.
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- KVRAF
- 4737 posts since 20 Feb, 2004 from Gothenburg, Sweden
I voted "no rule" as well.
Everybody is biased and yet I hope everybody will do what they can to fairly judge the entries. I always vote for the "keep it simple" option it seems
Everybody is biased and yet I hope everybody will do what they can to fairly judge the entries. I always vote for the "keep it simple" option it seems
Stefan H Singer
https://dropshotaudio.com/
https://dropshotaudio.com/
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- KVRAF
- 8389 posts since 11 Apr, 2003 from back on the hillside again - but now with a garden!
I went no rule as well - after all the devs and betatesters are just voters where the other plugs are concerned.
However, it might be worth doing the voting in a similar manner to the monthly contests - so that the voting is open and transparent, and it would be obvious if a dev voted for their own product, and possibly the IP of the voter should be logged to help stop any voting under pseudonyms [not 100% effective, but can go a long way with fixed links]. Anyone doing that would be going against the whole ethos of a community contest and should feel ashamed of themselves for even thinking of it tho'
..and that's all I have to say about that..
DSP
However, it might be worth doing the voting in a similar manner to the monthly contests - so that the voting is open and transparent, and it would be obvious if a dev voted for their own product, and possibly the IP of the voter should be logged to help stop any voting under pseudonyms [not 100% effective, but can go a long way with fixed links]. Anyone doing that would be going against the whole ethos of a community contest and should feel ashamed of themselves for even thinking of it tho'
..and that's all I have to say about that..
DSP
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- KVRian
- 1498 posts since 21 Nov, 2005 from The Netherlands
voted 'no rule' as well.
Those few betatesters are not going to make a big difference if many ppl vote imo.
Those few betatesters are not going to make a big difference if many ppl vote imo.
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- KVRist
- 134 posts since 5 Jan, 2006 from Norfolk, VA, USA
I don't see any reason why beta testers should not be allowed to vote. I would be OK with it if devs were not allowed to vote. And I hope we have enough voters overall that the issue is moot.
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- KVRAF
- 1906 posts since 5 Feb, 2005 from UK - Stafford/Lancaster (uni)
why would being a beta tester make a difference? 
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- DASH Guy
- Topic Starter
- 8154 posts since 20 Sep, 2001
ok we can close this poll now, <grin>
"no rule" wins,
anyway let me just say that the "enough voters" point is logically meaningless, since one vote is enouugh to pick a winner or a loser,
10 vs 11 is the same of 1000000 vs 1000001, no?
or am I missing something?
also the "no rule" option means less fun to me,
well you may call me strange, but the fun of a game is in the rules, no rules = no game,
it seems to me that everybody here likes lottery, <grin>, or bingo, no offence, that's just a consequence:
less rules = more randomness,
that's ok to me, but I will laugh at who will tell that the winner was the best one.
At least that's consistent with the current trend of randomization features in today plugins:
random presets, random kits, random glitches in loops, LOL.
Yep it's so hard to choose something good.
You may be right, let it flow and let's see where it goes.
BTW I need two more betatesters, please PM me.
"no rule" wins,
anyway let me just say that the "enough voters" point is logically meaningless, since one vote is enouugh to pick a winner or a loser,
10 vs 11 is the same of 1000000 vs 1000001, no?
or am I missing something?
also the "no rule" option means less fun to me,
well you may call me strange, but the fun of a game is in the rules, no rules = no game,
it seems to me that everybody here likes lottery, <grin>, or bingo, no offence, that's just a consequence:
less rules = more randomness,
that's ok to me, but I will laugh at who will tell that the winner was the best one.
At least that's consistent with the current trend of randomization features in today plugins:
random presets, random kits, random glitches in loops, LOL.
Yep it's so hard to choose something good.
You may be right, let it flow and let's see where it goes.
BTW I need two more betatesters, please PM me.
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- KVRian
- 975 posts since 31 Jan, 2005
I voted no rule.
I'm less concerned about a couple of betatesters being possible biased then ppl favorizing developers that has done goood stuff before this contest.
That however is not a biggie for me either, I'm an indie dev because I like to do stuff, and this compo is dead fun since it's something we do together (although we are competing for tuz's (and other's)money).
Heck, even let us dev's vote for our own entries, its 1 vote. Though I seiously doubt that I'm gonna vote for me, I believe there are gonna be a lot of cool stuff, and its probably gonna be hard to decide on who to vote.
I'm less concerned about a couple of betatesters being possible biased then ppl favorizing developers that has done goood stuff before this contest.
That however is not a biggie for me either, I'm an indie dev because I like to do stuff, and this compo is dead fun since it's something we do together (although we are competing for tuz's (and other's)money).
Heck, even let us dev's vote for our own entries, its 1 vote. Though I seiously doubt that I'm gonna vote for me, I believe there are gonna be a lot of cool stuff, and its probably gonna be hard to decide on who to vote.
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- KVRian
- 1343 posts since 26 Aug, 2005 from Netherlands
That sums up my feelings exactly. I'm really looking forward to seeing what the other devs have come up with. KVR is truly something special.larsby wrote:That however is not a biggie for me either, I'm an indie dev because I like to do stuff, and this compo is dead fun since it's something we do together (although we are competing for tuz's (and other's)money).
Heck, even let us dev's vote for our own entries, its 1 vote. Though I seiously doubt that I'm gonna vote for me, I believe there are gonna be a lot of cool stuff, and its probably gonna be hard to decide on who to vote.
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- KVRist
- 134 posts since 5 Jan, 2006 from Norfolk, VA, USA
Well, in the first case the difference is 5% of the total votes; in the second case it's 0.00005% of the total votes.liqih wrote:10 vs 11 is the same of 1000000 vs 1000001, no?
or am I missing something?
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- KVRAF
- 8389 posts since 11 Apr, 2003 from back on the hillside again - but now with a garden!
..I thought it was binary..
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- KVRer
- 11 posts since 16 Jul, 2005
I think that betatesters and devs should be able to vote... just not for their own plugin... i think it would great even for devs to comment other peoples work and vote for it if they like it...
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- KVRer
- 7 posts since 8 Feb, 2005 from http://destroyfx.org/
Everyone should be able to vote (once), but we should discourage developers from astroturfing for their submission (getting friends to stack votes, etc.). Honest competition is the best.
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- KVRian
- 975 posts since 31 Jan, 2005