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Selfik · Post by **Selfik** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:01 am

Urs how about version for Linux?
It would be great cause now with energyXT2 as sequencer we only need decent plugins for that platform.Please keep in mind that lots of people have started using Linux for audio production and I see oportunity for you to earn some serious money.Think about it...

dougsyo · Post by **dougsyo** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:09 am

Please quantify "lots of people" ?

(Yes, I run Linux - Oracle/MySQL/web server at home, and Subversion server at the office ... but my music is done on Windows).

Doug

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:23 am

Dunno. The common business solution (open source software, earn from support) is pretty weird in my thinking. I know some who wanted to survive (!) from audio software for Linux, but they went somewhere different in the end.

Seriously, I don't know. Who if not me (my engine can be ported in less than a month). But: I'm frightened. I guess I need a working example first...

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:43 am

Urs wrote:Dunno. The common business solution (open source software, earn from support) is pretty weird in my thinking. I know some who wanted to survive (!) from audio software for Linux, but they went somewhere different in the end.

Seriously, I don't know. Who if not me (my engine can be ported in less than a month). But: I'm frightened. I guess I need a working example first...

jorgen has posted some simple examples here

http://www.linux-vst.com/

it can compile to a closed .so format (not open source)

Subz

spritex · Post by **spritex** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:16 am

I would also like to know the _real_ number of potential buyers who use Linux as their main audio platform. I have a feeling that it's more like "insignificant".

Also, since Linux fans are usually so enthusiastic, that tends to give a bit of a false impression of the popularity. I think.

Then again, I have nothing against Urs ports IF they wouldn't take away his time from the current development. He is only one man, albeit a superman.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:28 am

yeah.. then you'd have yet another platform to update...

I think at this point you'd be at the beginnings still of (professional) Linux audio developers.. I too suspect the market is very, very small.

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:44 am

spritex & VitaminD: +1

I belive in the right tool for the right job and Linux has a long long way before it comes close to a CoreAudio/CoreMidi type framework. I'd bet the only significant users of Linux for audio are Muse Receptor owners. That's got a custom Linux kernel and custom Wine enhancements.

Selfik · Post by **Selfik** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:10 am

Urs there is nothing to be scared!
If you can please do it!
You guys can live one month without an update

Linux version really has a potential and will change the way of thinking about music production on this platform.Some of you can try a great audio distro from www.jacklab.org or http://ubuntustudio.org
They got new realtime audio kernel and lots of nice software for music creation and they really work.Try it with energyXT2 (linux version) and you will get the picture.Only thing is that Linux curently lacks of some decent plugins and Urs has a chanse to change it.

Can I preorder my copy now?

GHOST19 · Post by **GHOST19** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:23 am

The market is small at the moment but it's certainly worth a one month work and it's a good idea to be there first.
It also gives free advertising : all audio forums in the world have at least one popular thread and the first plugins to be linux compatible will get good exposure.

With eXT2 and ubuntustudio things are gonna change.

1barEnuff · Post by **1barEnuff** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:44 am

hi, i want to show my support for linux vst, the one put forward by jorgen, ive been interested in music on linux since DeMuDi and RHeMuDi now im keeping an eye on 64 studio and Jacklab Audio Distribution (JAD) and when one or the other of them have a stable version that i like, then i will install linux back on my computer
i believe there are a lot of linux users willing to pay for good vst's and there are a lot of musicians/daw users experimenting with linux. by the end of this year you will notice a difference.
thats my opinion anyway(yes i could be totally wrong!)

peace, john

raikard233 · Post by **raikard233** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:28 am

The ubuntu+xt2+zebra2 it's a nice idea, you don't need so much more than this...bt what about the drivers for my 828??
I think that this is the problem for a linux daw, full support for the audiocards with their control panels...

wrench45us · Post by **wrench45us** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:28 pm

the sort of support developers like Urs have to provide to two platforms with how many OS versions with how many processors with how many sound card combinations? and sure why not add Linux. What happened to BeOS? Let's throw that in as well.

Thinking of all the thing Urs can do in a month, I can't imagine taking on a new set of support problems for a few sales.

Selfik · Post by **Selfik** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:26 pm

Urs just give it a try

Make it compatible with Jorgens energyXT2, use his standard for Vst, contact him.
Your product will be advertised on lots of Linux saits and magazines.People will notice, it will work!

Kyran · Post by **Kyran** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:41 pm

EnergyXT uses the VST standard, so all your code (except for the gui stuff) should be able to compile for linux with just some minor changes to the headers (look at djsubjects link). A lot of guiless plugins (and some with gui's) have been succesfully recompiled to work with ext on linux (like the mda stuff)
Since it's the same plugin format, it will probably be much less of a hassle than supporting, say, rtas.
Since you are already programming for mac, I suppose your gui code will be rather crossplatform either. Once your guilib works on linux, there should be almost no difference between the winvst version and the nixvst version.

Making stuff for linux doesn't mean it has to be open source. In the engineering world a lot of tools are *nix and they are hardly what you call cheap. Having plugins which are compatible linux just opens another market for you.

For what it's worth, I'd buy all the stuff from you I don't have yet, if you port it to linux.
What you need to ask yourself is if the possible revenues compare to the amount of work you need to do for them.

coreydavid · Post by **coreydavid** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:58 pm

wrench45us wrote:the sort of support developers like Urs have to provide to two platforms with how many OS versions with how many processors with how many sound card combinations? and sure why not add Linux. What happened to BeOS? Let's throw that in as well.

Thinking of all the thing Urs can do in a month, I can't imagine taking on a new set of support problems for a few sales.

I agree.

I loved BeOS! It was the fastest booting OS ever. I think that Ohmforce still have some plug-ins that work in Be.

I know that Linux has a BIG geek and elite appeal but it's a fractious mess and it always will be. I want to make music and not edit make files, check dependencies, compile kernels and all that other bull$hit. Then there's the crowd that think that just because their OS is free that programs that run on it should be free, too.

Hey, if Urs has time for a Linux port, more power to him. I hope he's ready for the support he'll have to deal with.

Has anyone tried to run Zebra2 under Wine? Or does the installer crap out or something?

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KVR Audio

Zebra and Penguin?