PLEASE! Wake up and pay attention!!!!!

[thesoundsmith]

If you have read ANY of the posts by Muse people, or those who are close enough to know what is going on, you know (or should, but apparently whatever you read goes in one neuron and out the other) that Muse is trying to complete work on a way to install any/all plugs, not just onesie twosie fixes for individual products. As long as you keep yammering on about fixing this one here and that one there, if they were to pay attention to you, no REAL work would EVER get done.

Please stop posting about individual products, this box must be made to work with the majority, not just your favorite pet monkey. Instead, get with the program and urge them to get V2.0 up and running, so everybody can have whatever plugs they wish.

The alternative - your one-at-a-time fix - is just a boat anchor dragging us all down...

[TWB121234]

Thanks - well said. I might add, enjoy the plugs that are available - there are many great ones. I think it's natural to want to get the "latest and greatest", my guess is most people (I know I sure haven't) hardly exhaust the possibilities of what they already have. However, I too look forward to "Direct Install".

Tom B

[Hybernation]

While I don't disagree with the sentiment, the sad reality is that "direct install" is not going to fix everything. For those of use who have obtained root access and have been running EXE installers directly via ssh and WINE, we in effect ALREADY HAVE direct install. And MANY plugins will still not work. Sometimes, it because the dev has done something just a little "odd", or used an odd graphics library, and other times it's a copy protection issue (non dongle) like in the case of TruePianos, Rapture and Dimension Pro.

So when you see people asking about the state of their favorite non-receptorized plugin, often it's because:

1) it's been promised in the past by Muse, often in these very forums
2) the developer wants to make it work, but is waiting on a response/help from Muse
3) people just like to gripe

I must agree with TomB though, in that I haven't even scratched the surface with the plugs I have!

(still TruePianos would be very nice )

[Watto]

(still TruePianos would be very nice )

+1

I can understand what you're saying, and maybe if Muse released info on what exactly they were doing, there wouldn't be as many individual plugin requests. I love my Receptor, but it gets very frustrating when there's complete silence from the company for long periods

I'm hoping to hear back from Muse regarding True Pianos, as it is a perfect fit for Receptor - bumping it here is just another way of trying to get a response

[thesoundsmith]

Hybernation makes a good point in that probably the Receptor will never actually run everything; but neither does your XP-80 or Fantom. This is NOT a "computer", it is a dedicated hardware VST player. Different animal, despite the identical processor under the hood.

All I am saying is to stay focussed on the big picture to get the maximum benefit from this box.

And bottom line - if a particular plug will never work on your Receptor, does this mean that a) you can't play music anymore, or b) the box is useless? I don't think so. What did you do before the plug-in was released for sale?

Good. Do that...

[TWB121234]

I'm trying True Pianos on my older iMac G4, but I'd love to run it on my Receptor (not quite enough cpu horsepower on my Mac for decent latency). I guess that I don't expect Direct Install will fix 'em all, but it should help. I will be disappointed if True Pianos is still one that won't work. I'll just have to put up with Ivory, Pianoteq, Akoustik Piano, Black Grand, Seven C's Grand, etc. - oh how I suffer!
Tom B

[Hybernation]

I'm trying True Pianos on my older iMac G4, but I'd love to run it on my Receptor (not quite enough cpu horsepower on my Mac for decent latency). I guess that I don't expect Direct Install will fix 'em all, but it should help. I will be disappointed if True Pianos is still one that won't work. I'll just have to put up with Ivory, Pianoteq, Akoustik Piano, Black Grand, Seven C's Grand, etc. - oh how I suffer!
Tom B

[Watto]

Hybernation makes a good point in that probably the Receptor will never actually run everything; but neither does your XP-80 or Fantom. This is NOT a "computer", it is a dedicated hardware VST player. Different animal, despite the identical processor under the hood.

It's a dedicated VST player which only plays a percentage of VSTs (and I'm not talking about obscure ones, either). I was never told that when I bought it, and the website isn't overly generous with that information. It seems quite silly to me, comparing the Receptor with an XP-80 or Fantom.

All I am saying is to stay focussed on the big picture to get the maximum benefit from this box.

To quote the Muse Research site - "If there are specific plug-ins that you would like to see running on Receptor please let us know and we'll endeavor to make it happen ASAP!" So they don't have a problem with it, and in fact encourage it! I AM focussed on the big picture, which is that Receptor works really well for me for the most part, but I think you're being overly sensitive by reacting so strongly to people bumping particular products - Muse ARE working on plugin compatibility, and if a product isn't in their line of sight, they might prioritise others above it

And bottom line - if a particular plug will never work on your Receptor, does this mean that a) you can't play music anymore, or b) the box is useless? I don't think so. What did you do before the plug-in was released for sale?

Another ridiculous sweeping argument. Do you have air conditioning in your car? If you had to go without it, does this mean that (a) you can't drive your car anymore, or (b) the car is useless?

I think you're a very nice guy, but your posts in this thread are a tad hyperbolic.

[Gymnopedies]

Hybernation makes a good point in that probably the Receptor will never actually run everything; but neither does your XP-80 or Fantom. This is NOT a "computer", it is a dedicated hardware VST player. Different animal, despite the identical processor under the hood.

It's a dedicated VST player which only plays a percentage of VSTs (and I'm not talking about obscure ones, either). I was never told that when I bought it, and the website isn't overly generous with that information. It seems quite silly to me, comparing the Receptor with an XP-80 or Fantom.

All I am saying is to stay focussed on the big picture to get the maximum benefit from this box.

To quote the Muse Research site - "If there are specific plug-ins that you would like to see running on Receptor please let us know and we'll endeavor to make it happen ASAP!" So they don't have a problem with it, and in fact encourage it! I AM focussed on the big picture, which is that Receptor works really well for me for the most part, but I think you're being overly sensitive by reacting so strongly to people bumping particular products - Muse ARE working on plugin compatibility, and if a product isn't in their line of sight, they might prioritise others above it

And bottom line - if a particular plug will never work on your Receptor, does this mean that a) you can't play music anymore, or b) the box is useless? I don't think so. What did you do before the plug-in was released for sale?

Another ridiculous sweeping argument. Do you have air conditioning in your car? If you had to go without it, does this mean that (a) you can't drive your car anymore, or (b) the car is useless?

I think you're a very nice guy, but your posts in this thread are a tad hyperbolic.

I agree with Watto here, Too much blind cheerleading on Soundsmiths part, While You have been most helpful in organizing comunications betwwen Muse and The Actual user base here @ KvR, I feel a healthy (if not painful) prolonged shot of scrutiney needs to cast towards Muse.

The fact is, Yes you where told, prelaunch of this product that, it would be able to host ANY PLUG IN.
This is something that has yet to be seen, As it stands for me...Receptor is not only an abject failure, it is, in fact been a product sold on false promises & trust breaking hype.

For the record, I,ve seen no visable benefit of Muse taking ownership of Kvr that I can see, other that providing a captive,fanaticle base to which hawk their wares.

[Watto]

Well, I wouldn't agree with that, as the guys here are very helpful, and are simply customers like thee and me...

I don't think thesoundsmith is a Muse Research employee in any way, but I could be wrong. If he is, I'm happy that one of them is showing up here occasionally, at least, even if we disagree occasionally. I've often thought that they should pay someone like him or Hybernation a small fee to be their representative on here, as one of the more frustrating things about Muse is their lack of presence.

I completely agree about KVR being bought by Muse - I'm not even sure they still think it was a good idea, as their forum is to a large degree unattended. The focus of KVR seems to have shifted slightly towards commercial viability, which I'm assuming is Muse Research trying to make money from the site.

Anyway, back to Truepianos

[Curois]

I think the Soundsmith is partially wrong and partially right, as is Hybernation. Receptor IS a computer. It has a harddisk, an accesible OS, a CPU etc etc. But on the other hand, it is sold as an alternative to any other sound module out there.
The irony is that the Receptor is marketed as the ultimate sound module because it would play any VST, while that's the main problem: it doesn't nearly play any VST. The big advantage of the Receptor should be, it being a computer, that you could install any VST you want and then use it anywhere you want as a sound module with the added robustness of a soundmodule.
Because of the soundmodule-character of the device, I think it is imperitive that Direct Install gets finished, because unlike Hybernation, most users only have experience from previous sound modules and are no computer experts. They want the core functionality (playing VSTs) to be easily accessible and they don't want to go through a hassle to install those VSTs.

So on the one hand we have the fact that it IS a computer: if it's a damn computer, give us the flexibility of a computer and let us really install any plugin we want.
On the other hand we have the fact that it IS a sound module too: I want to play all of my VSTs without needing mad programming skillzszzs.

I love my receptor, but flexibility is just not there yet. I am not feeling overly confident in dialling up a random sound during rehearsals, so most of the time I just program the unit before hand.

[thesoundsmith]

I didn't mean to be controversial here. All I am doing is requesting that we get behind the focused efforts of Muse to get out a universal solution, rather than spend their time fixing soon-to-be-updated plugs. If you are one of those who bought in the early days when Muse thought they could figure out how to make it universal, I understand your frustration; if I had purchased then, I would probably be right in line with you calling for what was promised.

When I got my unit, I first checked to determine that all of my 'must-have' plugs: Colossus, Jazz and Big Band, Lounge Lizard, B4 and FM7 worked on the box. Them I looked at the "I'd like them to work" stuff - mainly Stylus RMX. I am still waiting for the 1.5 upgrade, and Spectra is already well past that one. I know it's frustrating to not have the tools you expect, but I have had enough experience in the digital realm to recognize the first rule of computer purchases - if it doesn't work yet, do not assume that it will work tomorrow, no matter what the company says. I've just seen it happen too many times over the years, and no longer expect the PR ro match the product.

I'm not trying to be a Pollyanna rah-rah yes-man (believe me, I get VERY nasty when a company plays games with me) Nor am I being an apologist for the delays - I just want them to get on with the important (to all users) stuff, rather than dilute their efforts.

So if I have offended you, sorry 'bout dat. But if I can nooge Muse a bit more in the direction of OS2, I'm going for it...

Anyway, end of rant, I'm stopping posting in this thread - everything I tried to say has been said, y'all do what you're going to do.

[richwhite9]

In the interest of full disclosure I can read English and understood supported, unsupported, user installable and how to search plugorama.

http://www.museresearch.com/receptor.php?r=plugins

I thought last year was a big step forward and I'm sure Muse knows they need to maintain and expand the plug-ins available.

2.0 sounds good. Will it support Play, NI, and the new Sample Tank engine?

There are about 6 premium VST lines that I think they need to concentrate on (G-Media, Synthogy, Spectrasonics, East West, IK Multimedia, NI, the major Kontakt based-sample libraries and the Synchrosoft thing). Add in the developers that work with the Muse model and that's a pretty good palette.

Personally I think the manufacturers should stick with one scheme == Synchro or iLoK or offer both flavors and dump other forms of authentication.