OK, this might seem a silly question but I've been out of the loop with T3's development. Long time user of T1/T2, but never pulled the trigger on T3.
The thread for the "orphan" status of T3 concerns me, but it also piques my curiosity to pick up an upgrade license just in case it disappears from Mackie's website.
I would be using T3 on a PC. I am inquiring whether or not upgrading to T3 makes sense at its current and presumably final configuration?
T3 - is it worth upgrading from T2
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- KVRAF
- 2278 posts since 8 Apr, 2003
No. T2 is more stable although it lacks some of the bells and whistles of T3. If I were you I would wait until I see the corpse starting to move again before considering an upgrade. Otherwise, it's a dead-end upgrade with the same crippled audio engine from T2 and more prone to just disappear (POOF!) without warning.
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- KVRian
- 1305 posts since 30 Jan, 2004
Some of us, though, have had none of those negative experiences, and are thankful for the new multi-core support in T3 which enables us to use more vsti's and effects without having to freeze tracks.
Since the demo is free, the best thing to do is to try it and see how it works with your own stuff.
I own five(!) hosts, and Tracktion is the only one I actually make music with due to its productive workflow. Though one thing has changed that some of us don't like in T3 - the draggable arrow inputs have been removed and now you have to use the optional (in T2) more static ones that are always on or always off and you have to click to activate them.
No big deal, though.
Since the demo is free, the best thing to do is to try it and see how it works with your own stuff.
I own five(!) hosts, and Tracktion is the only one I actually make music with due to its productive workflow. Though one thing has changed that some of us don't like in T3 - the draggable arrow inputs have been removed and now you have to use the optional (in T2) more static ones that are always on or always off and you have to click to activate them.
No big deal, though.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 261 posts since 3 Jun, 2003 from Near Chicago
Thanks for the replies.
I played with the demo a few versions ago and it seemed stable, although I can't say that I stress tested it. It still had some of the audio and midi bugs of T1/T2 so I was a bit disappointed.
I guess I'll hold off and see if Mackie makes any kind of announcement.
I played with the demo a few versions ago and it seemed stable, although I can't say that I stress tested it. It still had some of the audio and midi bugs of T1/T2 so I was a bit disappointed.
I guess I'll hold off and see if Mackie makes any kind of announcement.
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OneArmedScissorB OneArmedScissorB https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=178923
- KVRer
- 6 posts since 20 Apr, 2008
Ever since 3.0.4.8, mine has not been prone to the "poof" issues.
Why not just get the demo and see for yourself? It will open your old projects. At least if you have a multi-core CPU, you will get a heck of a lot more out of it. I personally could not go back to T2.
Why not just get the demo and see for yourself? It will open your old projects. At least if you have a multi-core CPU, you will get a heck of a lot more out of it. I personally could not go back to T2.
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- KVRer
- 4 posts since 30 Jul, 2004
Yup, what he said. No issues here with crashing, etc. My only problem is that my NI Express keyboards don't work in T3. They don't crash or anything, just no sound. Whatever, definitely not a dealbreaker.OneArmedScissorB wrote:Ever since 3.0.4.8, mine has not been prone to the "poof" issues.
Why not just get the demo and see for yourself? It will open your old projects. At least if you have a multi-core CPU, you will get a heck of a lot more out of it. I personally could not go back to T2.
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- KVRAF
- 6490 posts since 14 Jun, 2004 from Rochester, NY
no probs in t3 over here, maybe a few times k2 locks up but its prob my computer 
RonC
RonC
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- KVRist
- 339 posts since 12 Nov, 2008
I've only used T3. I had huge problems with excessive CPU hitches, dropped notes, rendering problems, etc. I figured out that it was mostly poor memory managed. I learned how to build an edit using multis and the problems all went away. It even plays straight out of the edit without CPU hitches.
It does occasionally quit for no apparent reason, but I have it auto-save frequently and, so far, have never lost anything of consequence. Since I never used T2, I can't compare the two.
It does occasionally quit for no apparent reason, but I have it auto-save frequently and, so far, have never lost anything of consequence. Since I never used T2, I can't compare the two.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 261 posts since 3 Jun, 2003 from Near Chicago
Thanks for the additional replies. Sounds like T3 is stable for most Win users.
Which upgrade path did you folks take? engine only, Project, or Ultimate?
Which upgrade path did you folks take? engine only, Project, or Ultimate?
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Phoebe Records Phoebe Records https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191811
- KVRer
- 5 posts since 20 Oct, 2008
I did the cheapest upgrade (69.99) from T2. I already have plugins galore, so the pricier (still quite cheap, though) bundles were more than I needed. I tried T2 briefly before upgrading, and I like T3 better.
I am a recent convert to computer-based recording (used to be quite a standalone DAW fan--Yamaha AW4416, Akai DPS24, etc.--until companies stopped making them)...therefore, I have not yet invested in a dedicated music production PC, but my current machine is Athalon 64/XP SP2/512MB memory--2GB is in the mail. T3 has worked perfectly thus far, with no glitches other than Akoustic Piano (a sample-laden monster) causing the CPU to crap itself, and that's my fault for procrastinating on upgrading my memory and getting a second audio drive. Obviously there are some who have encountered problems, but 3.0.4.8 has behaved pretty well for me. I haven't pushed the track count into Titanic territory yet (that orphan thread was cracking me up), but into the twenty-ish range (which is really forty-ish, if we're going to make a valid comparison to a soundtrack done in a traditional mixing environment wherein a stereo MIDI instrument would be two panned mono tracks instead of one stereo track). Anyway, best of luck--and let's hope they awaken from their hibernation and start fixing bugs again.
--Dave
I am a recent convert to computer-based recording (used to be quite a standalone DAW fan--Yamaha AW4416, Akai DPS24, etc.--until companies stopped making them)...therefore, I have not yet invested in a dedicated music production PC, but my current machine is Athalon 64/XP SP2/512MB memory--2GB is in the mail. T3 has worked perfectly thus far, with no glitches other than Akoustic Piano (a sample-laden monster) causing the CPU to crap itself, and that's my fault for procrastinating on upgrading my memory and getting a second audio drive. Obviously there are some who have encountered problems, but 3.0.4.8 has behaved pretty well for me. I haven't pushed the track count into Titanic territory yet (that orphan thread was cracking me up), but into the twenty-ish range (which is really forty-ish, if we're going to make a valid comparison to a soundtrack done in a traditional mixing environment wherein a stereo MIDI instrument would be two panned mono tracks instead of one stereo track). Anyway, best of luck--and let's hope they awaken from their hibernation and start fixing bugs again.
--Dave
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- KVRist
- 339 posts since 12 Nov, 2008
Without knowing what goes on inside my 'puter, I don't think that the number of tracks is an issue. Adding a track should use a miniscule amount of memory. Also, MIDI data should use teensy amounts of data. More likely, it is a problem with where Tracktion is able to find places in memory to stash its data and how much data the CPU is able to manage. It seems to me that a lot complex audio signals may add significant data (I don't know about this), and sample players take up quite a bit of memory and add digital data just in operating (I'm certain of this). My opinion is that much can be gained from using multis rather that using a new sample player for each new instrument. It solved most of my problems.
I'm not going to hold my breath for this right now. A buddy of mine works for Mackie. and they are laying off a bunch of people. Recently, when I've called Traction tech support for help, I seem to get somebody who is just learning to use Tracktion himself and doesn't have many answers. They try really hard to be helpful, but they can't do much.let's hope they awaken from their hibernation and start fixing bugs again.
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Phoebe Records Phoebe Records https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191811
- KVRer
- 5 posts since 20 Oct, 2008
MIDI takes practically no recources whatsoever, but the instruments it drives can be a real bear, regardless of how you manage them. DSP-intensive plugins like Native Instruments B4, Akoustik Piano, and Absynth can chew system resources to pieces, while 24-bit rendered tracks of the same audio are tame as a kitten. (Some Absynth patches will spike the CPU all by themselves if you let too many notes accumulate.)
Along the lines of CPU-juggling, I wish they had made it easier to record audio from 1 track to another. Is there a way to do this other than an edit export with the track soloed? I know--there is the 'render' option, but I have had problems rendering tracks with MIDI instruments. Doing an edit export lets you do it in real time, but there is no real-time option for track rendering. This is a real bummer since some instruments (such as Akoustik Piano) don't behave well when rendered at high speed.
Oops--sorry to kind of change the subject....
--Dave
Along the lines of CPU-juggling, I wish they had made it easier to record audio from 1 track to another. Is there a way to do this other than an edit export with the track soloed? I know--there is the 'render' option, but I have had problems rendering tracks with MIDI instruments. Doing an edit export lets you do it in real time, but there is no real-time option for track rendering. This is a real bummer since some instruments (such as Akoustik Piano) don't behave well when rendered at high speed.
Oops--sorry to kind of change the subject....
--Dave
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- KVRist
- 196 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from Aberdeen, Scotland
One great thing that T3 has over T2 is the way it automatically stretches loops in the browser to the tempo of the song. If you work with drum loops, it is worth getting the upgrade for this. Generally stretching of all instrumental files can be done within T3 to a pretty good standard.Bennett wrote:OK, this might seem a silly question but I've been out of the loop with T3's development. Long time user of T1/T2, but never pulled the trigger on T3.
The thread for the "orphan" status of T3 concerns me, but it also piques my curiosity to pick up an upgrade license just in case it disappears from Mackie's website.
I would be using T3 on a PC. I am inquiring whether or not upgrading to T3 makes sense at its current and presumably final configuration?
The orphan thing is a pain. Although T3 is stable for me, I do not lack the apparent total lack of development and I resent Mackie completely ignoring their customers. Been playing with Reaper for these very reasons but moving hosts after 4+ years with Tracktion will be time consuming, if it comes to it.
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- KVRist
- 339 posts since 12 Nov, 2008
I must not be understanding what you're saying. Why not just create a duplicate of your clip and "nudge" it to the track where you want it?I wish they had made it easier to record audio from 1 track to another
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- KVRist
- 339 posts since 12 Nov, 2008
I strongly dislike the Kontact2 sample player, and I don't think it works very well with Tracktion.k2 locks up
NI has some lovely voices, but if I really want to use one, I have found it worth the effort to use Tracktion to create a sample that can be imported into my SampleTank Instrument library. I like the SampleTank sample player and it works very well with Tracktion.