I'm looking for some examples (patches or audio samples) of ppg/waldorf-type pads from zebra. You know the stuff, very digital sounding, wavetable modulation. Surge does this kind of stuff beautifully, and I was wondering if I could get a similar sound from zebra. I'm trying the demo but I still haven't fully grasped the oscillators...
Thanks in advance.
looking for ppg/waldorf sounding zebra patches
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- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Melbourne, Australia
If you check out the following thread, there are thousands of presets available for Zebra, and plenty of oscillator files:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=180090
The following summary is the one to look for (about half way down the first post):
KVR Name: suthnear
Release Date: August 04, 2007
Description: 300 PPG/MW waves and 94 Prophet VS waves for Z2 oscillators.
It contains samples from the classic wavetables of the Waldorf series. I've had a brief play with some of them, and yes, it is entirely possible to get the sounds you want.
First you need to extract the files to the right location on your hard drive - the folder "U-He/Modules/Oscillators". Keeping them in a separate sub-folder is advised.
To load an OSC file in Zebra, insert an OSC module and click on it's UI to the left of the module which is marked "default" (for a new OSC). It will load a mini browser that points to the "Oscillator" folder. Load one up, and then look on the "More OSC <x>" page in the bottom of the Zebra UI. On the right is a menu labelled "Waveform" - the last two options allow you to access the wavetables. You should see the waveform you have loaded right there. More info in the manual for how this works, but normalise is pretty handy for maximising the volume of the selected waveform.
Back in the OSC module, you can set and modulate the wavetable position with the two top left controls marked "wave". Phase, sync, reset are under the "phase" tab.
Peace,
Andy.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=180090
The following summary is the one to look for (about half way down the first post):
KVR Name: suthnear
Release Date: August 04, 2007
Description: 300 PPG/MW waves and 94 Prophet VS waves for Z2 oscillators.
It contains samples from the classic wavetables of the Waldorf series. I've had a brief play with some of them, and yes, it is entirely possible to get the sounds you want.
First you need to extract the files to the right location on your hard drive - the folder "U-He/Modules/Oscillators". Keeping them in a separate sub-folder is advised.
To load an OSC file in Zebra, insert an OSC module and click on it's UI to the left of the module which is marked "default" (for a new OSC). It will load a mini browser that points to the "Oscillator" folder. Load one up, and then look on the "More OSC <x>" page in the bottom of the Zebra UI. On the right is a menu labelled "Waveform" - the last two options allow you to access the wavetables. You should see the waveform you have loaded right there. More info in the manual for how this works, but normalise is pretty handy for maximising the volume of the selected waveform.
Back in the OSC module, you can set and modulate the wavetable position with the two top left controls marked "wave". Phase, sync, reset are under the "phase" tab.
Peace,
Andy.
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- KVRAF
- 4141 posts since 11 Aug, 2006 from Texas
Hi pedorf,
I just wanted to chime in and say the commercial presets from Michael Kastrup and Howard Scarr also have some presets you'd probably be interested in. I recommend listening to the mp3 demos for Zebra Science and the Oldskool series to see if any are close to the sound you're looking for.
Of course, if you love to tweak ZenPunkHippy's advice is the best all around. I also recommend reading Michael's threads on the Oldskool series. There's a ton of tweaking insight about how he pulls Z2 into certain sound areas.
Good luck!
I just wanted to chime in and say the commercial presets from Michael Kastrup and Howard Scarr also have some presets you'd probably be interested in. I recommend listening to the mp3 demos for Zebra Science and the Oldskool series to see if any are close to the sound you're looking for.
Of course, if you love to tweak ZenPunkHippy's advice is the best all around. I also recommend reading Michael's threads on the Oldskool series. There's a ton of tweaking insight about how he pulls Z2 into certain sound areas.
Good luck!
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- KVRian
- 1394 posts since 6 May, 2005 from Michigan, USA
This kind of thing was the initial reason I bought Zebra. The PPG 2.V plugin had been my "baby" for a while, but I was wanting a synth that could do wavetable scanning with a deeper and more flexible voice architecture than the PPG offered. Z2 looked like just the thing. And indeed, it can do more with wavetables than the PPG ever dreamed of. So many ways to modulate wavetable position and get interesting results. Obviously you don't get the pronounced aliasing with Z2 wavetables that you do on a PPG, so the higher octaves sound a lot cleaner. Being able to use four different wavetables on each of Z2's wavetable oscillators in a patch is also quite a step up from the PPG.
The 2.V plugin is still the shortest path to just simply getting retro PPG sounds, but with its wider selection of filters and countless other advantages, Zebra lets you do more to sculpt wavetables into interesting sounds than anything offered by PPG or Waldorf, IMO. Just wait until you run a wavetable scan through an XMF filter with a little overdrive.
The 2.V plugin is still the shortest path to just simply getting retro PPG sounds, but with its wider selection of filters and countless other advantages, Zebra lets you do more to sculpt wavetables into interesting sounds than anything offered by PPG or Waldorf, IMO. Just wait until you run a wavetable scan through an XMF filter with a little overdrive.
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- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Melbourne, Australia
If you want to create your own OSC files, jupiter8 wrote a utility for this purpose, which works very well. See the following topic for some info:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... c&start=75
The file you want to download is this one:
http://www.tekno.chalmers.se/~magolo/sy ... ra2.tar.gz
It's a Java program so it should work on any platform.
It might seem obvious, but if you want harsh digital sounds and the OSC files you have aren't quite harsh enough ... you could bounce the raw output from the oscillator, import it in to an editor and downsample the file to whatever bit rate you require and use the above utility to create a new OSC file. 4-bit Waldorf wavetables: no problem!!!
Note: the conversion process works best with single cycle waves of 128 samples, but this is not critical. It will attempt to convert any sound file to a usable oscillator.
Peace,
Andy.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... c&start=75
The file you want to download is this one:
http://www.tekno.chalmers.se/~magolo/sy ... ra2.tar.gz
It's a Java program so it should work on any platform.
It might seem obvious, but if you want harsh digital sounds and the OSC files you have aren't quite harsh enough ... you could bounce the raw output from the oscillator, import it in to an editor and downsample the file to whatever bit rate you require and use the above utility to create a new OSC file. 4-bit Waldorf wavetables: no problem!!!
Note: the conversion process works best with single cycle waves of 128 samples, but this is not critical. It will attempt to convert any sound file to a usable oscillator.
Peace,
Andy.