Alpha Wave Modulation??

[Cyoon]

Hey Urs and all you m8s!

I'm lately into some kind of mind manipulation through Music wich features Alpha Wave content to maybe achieve some better concentration,relaxasion and all that stuff..

i came over an interesing site here..

http://www.neuro-programmer.de/mind-stereo.htm

they offer a media player wich automatically adds some Alpha Wave content to you actual music , without recognisable changes..so Urs..how's that?

What do you think? Could we have some Alpha wave modulation in Zebra as well? That would be so cooool and even inspiring as well..

cannot say how much i would love to have a feature like this..but one could imagine..

what do you other guys&gals think about this?Would be even cool for people who wanna write music for Music Therapy and all that stuff..

I think we would just need some specific Lfo's that oscilate in the specific area of that types..i listed some below,stated from the site above..

its all in german but for those who are interested in, you will find a lot of information in english as well..


cheers Mark


* Beta: 12-38 Hz, hellwach, aufmerksam. Normaler Zustand während des Tages. Mentale Programmierung in diesem Zustand nicht sehr effektiv, jedoch Einflussnahme auf Intelligenz, Aufmerksamkeit, Wachsamkeit, Stimmung usw. möglich.
* Alpha: 8-12 Hz, wach, aber tief entspannt. Zustand früh morgens, vor dem Einschlafen oder während Tagträumen. Sehr guter Zustand für mentale Programmierung.
* Theta: 3-8 Hz, leichter Schlaf oder tiefe Entspannung. Mentale Programmierung am effektivsten.
* Delta: 0,2-3 Hz, typisch für tiefen, traumlosen Schlaf. Komplette Ausschaltung des Bewusstseins. Mentale Programmierung schwierig, aber geeignet zur Behandlung von Migräne, Fibromyalgie, chronischen Schmerzen usw.

[MitchK1989]

So you're saying this fills your music with inaudibly low frequency content, ruining the dynamic range by using up parts that could be used for the actual music?

Sounds like quackery to me.

[Cyoon]

we talk about a sine wave in that area..so there will be not much of a hassle actualy i think..
i mean it would just be a very special option for specific things, as you wont be able to use a high pass filter on the sound you will anyway need to use high frequent sounds to not mess up you bass..just a thought so..i could be wrong and that makes not sense to musical creation..

but not seeing the positive aspect on this sounds pretty mitchie to me..

[mcnoone]

No. Zebra is in Beta now. 2.3.1

[billstei]

If Zebra was in beta there would be a new version every 12 to 38 times a second.

[Howard]

Sounds like quackery to me.

+1

[mose]

Heh, MitchK1989 said it was quackery, and then Quack responded. I agree with the quackery, though. Little ear buds, tiny computer speakers and most other kinds of sound-reproducing devices are not going to create frequencies that low.

[AnalogGuy1]

At least soundcards/audio converters I've used have D/A's with a built-in highpass filter that cuts 10Hz at greater than 20dB (I was trying to get cheap on buying a programmable frequency generator). I don't recall the models, but I used three different ones before giving up. I suppose the designers see no reason to waste the dynamic range or power on something you can't hear.

I'm not saying Quack's a quack; I don't know. But I don't think far-subaudible frequencies can be generated by standard sound equipment, even if the listener had speakers capable of generating 10Hz pressure waves.

[egbert]

Er, dudes. None of this is done by including 3-20 Hz waves in the actual program material. It is done by creating continuously varing differences in the frequency content of two stereo channels. The brain receives the signals from the two channels via headphones and creates the sum and difference tones: F1 + F2 and F1 - F2. This last term, the difference tone, is how you get a 3-20 Hz wave - not by adding the actual tone.

[Cyoon]

Hello Egbert,

thank you for clearing this up. It was my mistake, that i sad the actual tone will be aded to the sound, so then one could agree with the terms all the others pointed. There is definatly a sientific way to achieve this, but i do not know how this can be added.I thought it is an interesting task, thats all.
If it is no rocket science in this, i guess many people will be interested in having such an option.Making nice chill tunes or whatever..
as they descibe it , its not necesary anymore to do it on headphones as they passed this limitation by a lot of research..don't know..

and peace to all others here..

[jupiter8]

So it's basically two sinewaves close together frequencywise ?
Z2 can do that easily as it is. No need for any "magic" media players or any of that shit.
Just learn how to use Z2 and Bob's your uncle.

[egbert]

Cool Edit (Pro?) came with an option for generating these waves - you could generate a 45 minute meditation CD just by picking the brain wave option from the menu. If you can get an old copy from somewhere you could check it out.

[Cyoon]

Cool Edit (Pro?) came with an option for generating these waves - you could generate a 45 minute meditation CD just by picking the brain wave option from the menu. If you can get an old copy from somewhere you could check it out.

Sadly there is no Mac version of cool edit pro out there..hmm

actualy i got some 30min Alpha Wave tune..i could just run it in backround in my session..but thats just a pretty limited way to do this..

So it's basically two sinewaves close together frequencywise ?
Z2 can do that easily as it is. No need for any "magic" media players or any of that shit.
Just learn how to use Z2 and Bob's your uncle.

it is not about just editing two sinewaves..read egberts post please..

[jupiter8]

it is not about just editing two sinewaves..read egberts post please..

I did and that's how i understood it. If that's wrong i'd like a better explanation than "It is done by creating continuously varing differences in the frequency content of two stereo channels."

It was you who mentioned sinewaves so i really don't get it. If it's not two sinewaves close together frequencewise,what is it ?

[Cyoon]

it is not about just editing two sinewaves..read egberts post please..

I did and that's how i understood it. If that's wrong i'd like a better explanation than "It is done by creating continuously varing differences in the frequency content of two stereo channels."

It was you who mentioned sinewaves so i really don't get it. If it's not two sinewaves close together frequencewise,what is it ?

in my post after egberts i stated that i made a mistake to say its sinewaves..

and i said i do not know how to achieve this and to explain this on a scientific level. i will have some research and will contact those guys , maybe they will tell me, maybe not..i'll post it then..