Muse Research

brucegeller · Post by **brucegeller** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:02 pm

Hi... I'm wondering if anyone's ever experimented with a touchscreen for their Muse Research Receptor. I'm looking at a few brands/models of SVGA monitor with an integrated USB connection for the touchscreen functionality for my Receptor 2Pro, but I'm unsure about making this investment without knowing if/how the Receptor will work with this type of display peripheral.

Let me know..... thanks.

Throbert · Post by **Throbert** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:27 pm

there are some companies that have Multi touch LCDs. If you go looking you should make sure they are Multi touch. One company has a device that is like a clear pieace of plastic that fits over your screen. the smallest they have is 32" though.
http://multi-touch-screen.com/product.html
There is another company just about to release somthing that looks promising
it seems more flexible and more presice by resoluition.
http://labs.moto.com/scalable-multi-touch/
This place has 15" to 19" Multi touch screens for sale.
http://www.dynamixcomputers.com/multi_touch_screen.html
Jazz Mutant has Mtouch screens, but they are over priced and really small

brucegeller · Post by **brucegeller** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:49 pm

Actually the inquiry is if anyone already is using a touchscreen with their receptor.

I was considering this as an option to quickly choose multi's using an LCD monitor attached to my keyboard stand (similar to how Pet Shop Boys has their's), BUT I'd still need a mouse to change parameters and select small GUI elements that my fingertip probably cannot select easily without a stylus (which isn't compatible with some touchscreen technologies).

But this is moot. Rick at Muse Research support emailed me that the Receptor OS does not support touchscreens. C'est la vie.

We can close this thread!

Throbert · Post by **Throbert** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:54 pm

uh yes and I'm W7 is needed to support alot of this. Althoug a few will work using their SW with XP

thesoundsmith · Post by **thesoundsmith** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:23 pm

As Muse is creating new updates (rev 1.8...) I don't see why we can't sk for touchscreen drivers - should not be that hard to write.

How about it, aMusers? Or will these boxes wind up in a 'Muse'um?

SurfacePatterns · Post by **SurfacePatterns** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:08 am

brucegeller wrote:But this is moot. Rick at Muse Research support emailed me that the Receptor OS does not support touchscreens. C'est la vie.

The Receptor 2 operating system is based on Fedora Linux (7 or 8 - I don't remember offhand). Both Fedora 7 and 8 have touchscreen support. If touchscreen support _really_ isn't installed with the Receptor OS (it's installed on my Fedora 10 box by default), then all Muse Research needs to do to make it happen is to install an extra package or two, and release an update.

I attempted to look on Muse Research's FTP site for the actual packages to check if touchscreen support is installed by default; however, it appears that Muse Research hasn't yet released the source packages for the Receptor 2 operating system (in violation of the GPL, I believe).

Slightly OT: This is yet another reason why Muse Research should be releasing their OS updates as ISO images. Receptor owners should be able to customize the software installed on their Receptors. Releasing ISO images would allow Receptor owners to reinstall if they screw anything up in the process of customizing their systems.

Throbert · Post by **Throbert** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:29 pm

what kind of touch screen support. there are several types of support. it could be just Mono touch to begin with. I used to CSR for POS that ran a distro with this

SurfacePatterns · Post by **SurfacePatterns** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:28 pm

Throbert wrote:what kind of touch screen support. there are several types of support. it could be just Mono touch to begin with. I used to CSR for POS that ran a distro with this

I'm not sure what you mean by "Mono touch". I don't know what your acronyms mean.

Right offhand (I did a search for the word 'touch' in the package list), I can see that both Fedora 7 and Fedora 8 come with drivers for MagicTouch and MicroTouch based touch screens. Both companies distribute Linux drivers, so the drivers from the companies may very well be the same drivers that are packaged for Fedora.

There are also drivers that aren't distributed with Fedora that can be installed with a little effort. For example, evtouch is a general purpose driver for touch screens.

Here is some information on Linux touchscreen support in late-2006. This should be relevant, as Fedora 7 was released in May, 2007.

Throbert · Post by **Throbert** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:16 pm

Mono means 1, multi means more than 1. So do any of these suport multi touch or do they support an expensive replacement of a mouse.

SurfacePatterns · Post by **SurfacePatterns** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:20 pm

Throbert wrote:Mono means 1, multi means more than 1. So do any of these suport multi touch or do they support an expensive replacement of a mouse.

I don't appreciate your assumption that because I didn't understand what you meant by "mono-touch" also means that I also don't know what "mono" and "multi" mean. Also, as I found out by researching the topic, supporting multiple points on a touch screen is NOT the same as supporting multi-touch, as a multi-point driver for a touch screen CAN get the coordinates of a point of touch action WITHOUT being able to get the whole area being touched (i.e. touching with your ring finger vs. touching with the palm of your hand). So, your simplified explanation of multi-touch is incorrect and incomplete.

I don't know the particulars of each touch screen driver. I've never used a touch screen with any of my Linux workstations.

I do know that general MPX (multi-pointer X) support was merged into X.org (provides video drivers and GUI support for most, if not all, Linux distributions) in May, 2008, which is later than the releases of Fedora 7 and 8.

However, this discussion could be moot. The initial poster asked a question about touch screens, not multi-touch screens. You're the only user that seems to be stressing multi-touch.

Throbert · Post by **Throbert** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:12 am

LOL...Must be the weather..Asshole day came early this month. Time to head for the mountains.

batgab · Post by **batgab** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:22 pm

A$$hole?? That's a tad harsh, Throbert, to say the least. "I used to CSR for POS that ran a distro with this" makes no sense. Why jump on those who are not able to understand your point given your minimal punctuation, misspelled words and undefined acronymns? You have some good knowledge that is appreciated, but sometimes what you have in your head does not get put into text very well.

Throbert · Post by **Throbert** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:01 pm

Bryan@MuseResearch · Post by **Bryan@MuseResearch** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:52 pm

brucegeller wrote:Actually the inquiry is if anyone already is using a touchscreen with their receptor.

I was considering this as an option to quickly choose multi's using an LCD monitor attached to my keyboard stand (similar to how Pet Shop Boys has their's), BUT I'd still need a mouse to change parameters and select small GUI elements that my fingertip probably cannot select easily without a stylus (which isn't compatible with some touchscreen technologies).

But this is moot. Rick at Muse Research support emailed me that the Receptor OS does not support touchscreens. C'est la vie.

We can close this thread!

Hi there... might want to reopen this thread!

Rick was correct, we don't directly support touchscreens, but there is another way!

We showed Receptor at AES being controlled by a MSI WinTop touchscreen all-in-one computer using Receptor Remote. It worked GREAT! What I really liked is that we ran two Receptors from it, so you can simply click the tab on whatever Receptor you want to control and up pops the interface.

There is one problem, however... I have kinda fat fingers, so selecting a small target was a little bit hit or miss. It was fine for doing level control on the mixer, but small push buttons are a bit iffy.

This particular touchscreen was running Vista, and I'm not sure but I THINK that there is a visually impaired mode that will magnify graphics where ever the mouse goes, which might solve the problem. I've been meaning to experiment with this but haven't had the chance since getting back from the show.

So I can definitely confirm that a touch screen computer like the MSI Win Top (Shuttle and Asus make them as well) does indeed work with Receptor remote in touch screen mode. And its pretty cool if I do say so myself.

Theoretically, if you had a standard VGA touchscreen that supported true pointer device USB without additional drivers, that would work as well, but I've only tried one screen and although the mouse would move vertically, I couldn't get it to move horizontally... and we really haven't tried any other screens hence Rick's conclusion that they don't work...

Cheers

Groovology

dizzidecazz · Post by **dizzidecazz** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:24 am

Hi, Sorry to re-hash an old thread but this is something I'm looking into. There are heaps of very low cost touchscreen monitors available now aimed at the in-car and Point-Of-Sale markets. I'm going to get one hoping that it's compatible.

My plan is to mount it flat in a 1ru rack drawer with a small qwerty keyboard so that I always have control over my Receptor 1(rev C). The main reason I need this is because I suffer from dreaded runaway system log files and need to have a monitor and keyboard attached directly to fix this when it happens. It usually confines itself to right before a big show. In this case, a touchscreen is mute, as I only need the keyboard and monitor but I'm hoping for general usage I can use the touchscreen too. I'm hoping that because these things are aimed at in-car systems, specific drivers aren't applicable, so therefore support 'True Pointer Technology'. Cheap screens on ebay coming from China are low on info but for the money, it's worth the risk (I can always stick a mouse in the drawer too).

Having said that, all up, this will cost me around $200AU for the lot. I'll keep you posted on the idea.

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