thesis one midi channel output only ?

[gentleclockdivider]

WHy oh why does thesis only have one midi output channel ...?
Meaning , it can control only one vst .
Yeah I know ' load up another thesis instance ' will give you more midichannels , but still ...I think it's way to expensive for the features it offers
Where era has 16 midichannels , a lot more flexibility .
So will there be more midi channels added in a future update ?

[Sugar Bytes]

The problem is that there is nearly no host supporting midi channels from plugins.

[gentleclockdivider]

not a lot of hosts that support that you say ?
So why did you made it in the first place?
I use renoise as my main host and unfortuantely it doesn't support midi routing , but the ones that do
-Audio mulch ( latest beta 2.04 ) can send midi on 16 differnet channels to vsti's
-PLogue bidule does (idem 16 midi channels to vsti's
-fl studio does
-cubase does

I don't want to be rude/unpolite , but your argument is verry weak

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We are talking about how hosts handle incoming midi from (internal) VST's.
And most of the major hosts (Live,Cubase) do not handle midi channels here.

[gentleclockdivider]

for sure , ableton and cubase . you mention the 2 most popular daws .
There are people out there that use hosts other than cubase and ableton ., not specifically for arranging but for more expiremental stuff , and I think that is what thesis is all about ,experimenting ...so don't cut the people out that use the more esoteric sequencers which are in some areas more capable of handling thins then the standard DAW's.
AUdiomulch,bidule , fl studio etc are capable of sending midi on multiple tracks from midi vst's to different plugins ( and I think cubase does too ...not sure about it )
I use plogue bidule rewired to renoise ...so I can load midi vst's inside bidule
So why limit ourselves to only one midi output ?
Era has it , so why not thesis?

So pretty please , consider this in a future update .
As for now , I think 'era' is far superior to thesis ...we'll see what the future brings ....
No hard feelings

[Orbit-50]

I think 'era' is far superior to thesis ...we'll see what the future brings ....
No hard feelings

You're joking right? The problem is that you're trying to fight a well equipped army with only a .22 caliber handgun. If you want to do some real midi routings, then you gotta get some real tools like Cubase 5 or Ableton Live. They handle these types of MIDI routings without a problem. There is no real need for multitimbral MIDI plugins anymore. To say that ERA is superior to Thesys because is doesn't do what you want it to do in a Bidule/Renoise/Rewire setup is absurd. No hard feelings.


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[jensa]

The problem is that there is nearly no host supporting midi channels from plugins.

But... don't you do it with Consequence? There's 3 MIDI channels in there I think. Or am I wrong?

[musikmachine]

The problem is that there is nearly no host supporting midi channels from plugins.

But... don't you do it with Consequence? There's 3 MIDI channels in there I think. Or am I wrong?

Yeah there's three midi channels. Live can't see them though but that does raise the question (again!) as to why thesys only has 1.

[Sugar Bytes]

Yes there are 3 channels for Consequence, because Consequence can have 3 different midi output streams. I am not sure what you expect if Thesys could send it's midi on another channel ? Where is the benefit ? Would you like to have the modulation on another channel ? Playing multiple patterns on different channels is not an option, because this would interfere with the concept of the pattern sequencer and the 'trigger pattern by key' conept.

[musikmachine]

That it would! I had to think how i would utilise multi midi channels from one instance of thesys but other than sending ccs to other instruments or lighting i can't see the use. I'm curious at to how gcd would use it. The obvious thing to do is run multiple instances. Thesys seems to use very little cpu anyway...

Just wanted to say, I still haven't bought it but each time i demo it i have a blast using it.

[gentleclockdivider]

I think 'era' is far superior to thesis ...we'll see what the future brings ....
No hard feelings

You're joking right? The problem is that you're trying to fight a well equipped army with only a .22 caliber handgun. If you want to do some real midi routings, then you gotta get some real tools like Cubase 5 or Ableton Live. They handle these types of MIDI routings without a problem. There is no real need for multitimbral MIDI plugins anymore. To say that ERA is superior to Thesys because is doesn't do what you want it to do in a Bidule/Renoise/Rewire setup is absurd. No hard feelings.


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Actually I am not, era beats thesis even in the real time control department ..era hooked up to a midi controller gives you nearly the possibilities of a sequentix P3, seems like you haven't invested much time into exploring era..the pattern break functions are amazing , the retriggering options etc..
I wonder how far you 'll get with microtonic hooked up to thesis ..can you control al it's different parts ? NO you cant .
It's just my 5 cent , but I think thesis is way overpriced for what it offers...