Hi all,
I have a Receptor (one) and have been delving into the specifics of the vast midi functions of the unit. I've been hitting a brick wall when it comes to configuring any of my midi controllers that utilize motorized faders. (I thought it'd be pretty clever to set up my motorized faders to work with the Receptor mixer.)
I set up a midi monitor on the MIDI OUT of my Receptor and saw no data at any time. So I sent off an inquiry to Muse (via Plugorama) and they told me that the Receptor "doesn't use the MIDI OUT" for anything.
What??
Why do you build a device with a MIDI OUT that is never used for anything?
Can someone explaint this to me? I'm totally confused.
Thanks!
JH
is the Receptor MIDI OUT really dead?
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Kevin@MuseResearch Kevin@MuseResearch https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=200693
- MUSEician
- 188 posts since 11 Feb, 2009
I can't claim I was in the room when this decision was made ( I litereally wasn't) but it is indeed the same case for Receptor 2: No MIDI out.
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- KVRist
- 126 posts since 22 Sep, 2009
Just out of curiosity, what do you need midi out for? Is there any pluggin that sends midi commands?
If I had to chain together keyboards, I'd put the receptor at the end.
I'm very begginer with midi, keep that in mind.
If I had to chain together keyboards, I'd put the receptor at the end.
I'm very begginer with midi, keep that in mind.
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Kevin@MuseResearch Kevin@MuseResearch https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=200693
- MUSEician
- 188 posts since 11 Feb, 2009
As a side note, the MIDI thru on Receptor is functional, if you are chaining together MIDI devices.
- Kevin
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 5 posts since 22 Apr, 2009
The lack of any data being sent through the midi out means that there can never be any parameter feedback.
So if you have a device (midi controller, for example) that has leds for rotary encoders, lcd displays for faders like a Korg Kontrol 49, or God forbid MOTORIZED FADERS, you cannot properly use them with your Receptor.
Also, what if you actually wanted to run software that did sequencing on your Receptor? For live performance (loops or whatever?) I guess you can't even allow the Receptor to send out MIDI TEMPO info either.
I've gotta say I was FLOORED when I learned that such a high end, professional piece of gear has such serious omissions!!
I'm begging for someone to tell me I'm wrong...please!!
Jason
So if you have a device (midi controller, for example) that has leds for rotary encoders, lcd displays for faders like a Korg Kontrol 49, or God forbid MOTORIZED FADERS, you cannot properly use them with your Receptor.
Also, what if you actually wanted to run software that did sequencing on your Receptor? For live performance (loops or whatever?) I guess you can't even allow the Receptor to send out MIDI TEMPO info either.
I've gotta say I was FLOORED when I learned that such a high end, professional piece of gear has such serious omissions!!
I'm begging for someone to tell me I'm wrong...please!!
Jason
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- KVRist
- 126 posts since 22 Sep, 2009
Well I have a sequencer in my korg, could use that If I had the need.
I'm sure you could accomplish you goal by adding other devices.
I'm not saying your point is moot, see it more as a sound generator.
I'm sure you could accomplish you goal by adding other devices.
I'm not saying your point is moot, see it more as a sound generator.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 5 posts since 22 Apr, 2009
No Meo, you're right. It is mainly a sound generator; a really high end, pimped out sound generator that runs many many sounds at once. And, that's kinda the problem. 
If you're playing live, and you have more than one musician playing parts from the Receptor, it would be extremely nice to have some really useful control features; specifically what I mentioned earlier, a midi control surface with feedback parameters.
See, I was heavy into music gear in the mid 80's (ok, so I'm old) and was around when MIDI came out, and it was AMAZING how it changed things.
In the last few years or so, I've been getting back into it, and frankly I'm a little disgusted at some of the things I've been discovering with the current technology. Don't get me wrong, the Receptor is an incredible product; just a fantastic premise. But...seriously, no MIDI OUT?
I know most people don't use the higher end control surfaces that use MIDI PARAMETER FEEDBACK (i.e. led encoder rotary pots, motorized faders) but it's kinda sad that it's COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE to do with such a fine, high-end, professional musician's device like this.
I'm just quite disappointed that one can't simply mimic the Receptor mixer GUI with a piece of hardware that reacts in real time (i.e. if you change a patch, all the faders, knobs, etc on your midi hardware controller change to the new levels of the new patch.) You should even be able to "see" alphanumeric "names" for your mixer channel on the midi control surface.
In fact, if "my dream" was made into reality, one could actually have the "soundman" run the audio of the Receptor, remotely via MIDI. I actually thought this sort of thing would be more common 25 years later (since I got into this stuff originally.)
I just gotta say it blows me away that the guys at Muse didn't think this was an incredibly useful feature for the level of musicians that would be buying a Receptor.
But, apparently I'm wrong. Well, I guess there's always "25 years from now..."
Cheers,
JH
If you're playing live, and you have more than one musician playing parts from the Receptor, it would be extremely nice to have some really useful control features; specifically what I mentioned earlier, a midi control surface with feedback parameters.
See, I was heavy into music gear in the mid 80's (ok, so I'm old) and was around when MIDI came out, and it was AMAZING how it changed things.
In the last few years or so, I've been getting back into it, and frankly I'm a little disgusted at some of the things I've been discovering with the current technology. Don't get me wrong, the Receptor is an incredible product; just a fantastic premise. But...seriously, no MIDI OUT?
I know most people don't use the higher end control surfaces that use MIDI PARAMETER FEEDBACK (i.e. led encoder rotary pots, motorized faders) but it's kinda sad that it's COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE to do with such a fine, high-end, professional musician's device like this.
I'm just quite disappointed that one can't simply mimic the Receptor mixer GUI with a piece of hardware that reacts in real time (i.e. if you change a patch, all the faders, knobs, etc on your midi hardware controller change to the new levels of the new patch.) You should even be able to "see" alphanumeric "names" for your mixer channel on the midi control surface.
In fact, if "my dream" was made into reality, one could actually have the "soundman" run the audio of the Receptor, remotely via MIDI. I actually thought this sort of thing would be more common 25 years later (since I got into this stuff originally.)
I just gotta say it blows me away that the guys at Muse didn't think this was an incredibly useful feature for the level of musicians that would be buying a Receptor.
But, apparently I'm wrong. Well, I guess there's always "25 years from now..."
Cheers,
JH