Question for urs regarding his modular
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- KVRAF
- 2911 posts since 3 Mar, 2006
Anywhere I can find out more about your hardware modular? I'm looking at starting one myself (eurorack format) and I thought it might be worth my while to see if my favorite digital synth maker might have some recommendations for modules on the analog side of things
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- KVRian
- 1354 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Join us over at http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewfo ... 6cf5339824
I started a Eurorack last year. Everyone on the forum is extremely helpful. No newbie shame or anything.
I started a Eurorack last year. Everyone on the forum is extremely helpful. No newbie shame or anything.
Michael, Developer at Unfiltered Audio:
http://www.unfilteredaudio.com
http://soundcloud.com/the-february-thaw
http://mhetrick.github.com
http://www.unfilteredaudio.com
http://soundcloud.com/the-february-thaw
http://mhetrick.github.com
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2911 posts since 3 Mar, 2006
A post by me asking about a few modules I was confused about is actually on the front page there :p
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- u-he
- 30217 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Hi Mitch,
My Eurorack was intended to let me listen to various things carefully, especially oscillators and multimode filters. Thus I have saved a bit on the modulation side, only 2 envelopes and no real LFO. But lots of Cwejman components instead. I also have the Cwejman phaser in there, which I dearly love, but it isn't per se the most useful addition to the lot. For flexibility of patching it's clearly underpowered, but for sound quality with multimode filters it hardly gets any better.
I'll be in the studio in an hour, I can then take a picture form my little modular section. I can then write a little about pitfalls and what I wished I had done if it was for the patching.
One example: An oscillator can't replace any LFO if the oscillator uses the bus for key tracking - you can't get a constant rate for every note then.
Another issue I recall out of my head: The Doepfer MIDI interface I have "forgets" which keys are pressed. So if you lift a key while others are still pressed, the note doesn't slide over to another. Instead gate goes off. Very annoying.
Urs
My Eurorack was intended to let me listen to various things carefully, especially oscillators and multimode filters. Thus I have saved a bit on the modulation side, only 2 envelopes and no real LFO. But lots of Cwejman components instead. I also have the Cwejman phaser in there, which I dearly love, but it isn't per se the most useful addition to the lot. For flexibility of patching it's clearly underpowered, but for sound quality with multimode filters it hardly gets any better.
I'll be in the studio in an hour, I can then take a picture form my little modular section. I can then write a little about pitfalls and what I wished I had done if it was for the patching.
One example: An oscillator can't replace any LFO if the oscillator uses the bus for key tracking - you can't get a constant rate for every note then.
Another issue I recall out of my head: The Doepfer MIDI interface I have "forgets" which keys are pressed. So if you lift a key while others are still pressed, the note doesn't slide over to another. Instead gate goes off. Very annoying.
Urs-
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2911 posts since 3 Mar, 2006
awesome, I look forward to hearing more about your modular.
I myself am probably going the Expert Sleepers Silent Way route for midi -> pitch/gate and generic ADSRs/LFOs, leaving more room for audio modules and really crazy CV mutating ones like MATHS or whatever (might look into coding my own CV sources in Reaktor as well)... So yeah, quality of audio components is kind of high priority for me (well, more how "awesome" a component is than strictly looking for "hi-fi")
I'd love to hear your opinions on filters especially as I'm thinking of getting a pair of multimode 12 db/oct ones for dual filter/formant type effects.
I myself am probably going the Expert Sleepers Silent Way route for midi -> pitch/gate and generic ADSRs/LFOs, leaving more room for audio modules and really crazy CV mutating ones like MATHS or whatever (might look into coding my own CV sources in Reaktor as well)... So yeah, quality of audio components is kind of high priority for me (well, more how "awesome" a component is than strictly looking for "hi-fi")
I'd love to hear your opinions on filters especially as I'm thinking of getting a pair of multimode 12 db/oct ones for dual filter/formant type effects.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2911 posts since 3 Mar, 2006
bump?
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- u-he
- 30217 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Arrrgh, sorry... I ahd so much work to do before vacation, I totally missed out on this.
The photos are on my iPhone, I'll see if I can find my flickr account or something to upload them.
Give me a few more days to settle in (jetlag...)
Urs
The photos are on my iPhone, I'll see if I can find my flickr account or something to upload them.
Give me a few more days to settle in (jetlag...)
Urs-
- KVRAF
- 1529 posts since 12 Jun, 2004 from Portland, OR
The two things I most love soundwise about my modular that I have not seen in software that I think are reproducible are crazy diode filters and the Triple Wave Folder (also diodes).
Other wise than that is the obvious - tactile interface, everything can modulate or be modulated or turned into logic, envelopes that can loop fast enought to be OSCs, mixing and multing, etc...
Of course there are major downsides - co$t, polyphony would be silly, no patch memory, cable issues, power supply issues, fragility, weight, dealing with sliding rail racks, mismatched levels, etc...
But all in all it is so much fun that you weigh that against software. I think that Zebra sounds better than most analog stuff (modular is not really about analog anyways) and software is really the way to go for production work. You could multi-track a modular or make huge patches/sequences to come up with structured songs, but to me the standalone modular really "wants" to be experimental.
Other wise than that is the obvious - tactile interface, everything can modulate or be modulated or turned into logic, envelopes that can loop fast enought to be OSCs, mixing and multing, etc...
Of course there are major downsides - co$t, polyphony would be silly, no patch memory, cable issues, power supply issues, fragility, weight, dealing with sliding rail racks, mismatched levels, etc...
But all in all it is so much fun that you weigh that against software. I think that Zebra sounds better than most analog stuff (modular is not really about analog anyways) and software is really the way to go for production work. You could multi-track a modular or make huge patches/sequences to come up with structured songs, but to me the standalone modular really "wants" to be experimental.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2911 posts since 3 Mar, 2006
How do you like to use the triple wave folder? I was considering getting one, but the odd number of hp on it is a pain (as I'm not a big fan of most of the harvestman stuff... Too harsh for me)
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- KVRist
- 299 posts since 15 Apr, 2004
I would compare it to the Wrap osc FX in Zebra, but x3MitchK1989 wrote:How do you like to use the triple wave folder?
A wavefolder generates more harmonics and the timbers you get out of it is similar to lin. FM sounds.
Run a scope plug after Zebra and setup a single oscillator to use a triangle(or sine) waveform, and then add a Wrap osc FX to that. Now look on you scope as you increase the modulation depth.
How would you use this fx?
There are many ways you could use this, but here are a few.
- like an "inverted filter" use a sine/triangle osc and add a envelope to the modulation depth to get a sort of FM-ish sound (bass, lead, pad)
- Run some other sound through it as some sort of weird harmonic exciter. (drums, vocals, anything really)
- add details to your modulations by running your lfo's through the wave folder. (you will keep your original waveform but sort of add (a) octave(s) to it)
(Note I don't have the tripple wavefolder but the doepfer 137-1 wavefolder. it is similar but from my understanding the twf is a little less brutal in it's folding)
Lot's of fun with wavefolders.
//L
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2911 posts since 3 Mar, 2006
come on urs, I even caught a peek of half of it in another thread 
I saw a bunch of Cwejman, as I expected when you said "high quality multimode filtering"
Also I won't be using the bus (silent way!)
I'm personally going for a lot of sequencing and such, with most of my sound sources and modifiers being wiard and macbeth.
I saw a bunch of Cwejman, as I expected when you said "high quality multimode filtering"
Also I won't be using the bus (silent way!)
I'm personally going for a lot of sequencing and such, with most of my sound sources and modifiers being wiard and macbeth.
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- u-he
- 30217 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
I've been thinking a lot about modulars recently. The Roland System 100m that's been mating with the Doepfer is a real eye opener too. It's the complete opposite. The modules are simple, but they have loads of inputs, and often double outputs. Thus they offer some comfy patching.
I havn't spent too much time on them though, as I had been on vacation and now I'm still catching up with things.
I havn't spent too much time on them though, as I had been on vacation and now I'm still catching up with things.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2911 posts since 3 Mar, 2006
looks awesome urs... Have you had much experience with 'west coast' stuff like buchla/serge or its euro equivalents yet? It feels like other than aalto no one has ever really made a 'west coast' softsynth.