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4damind · Post by **4damind** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:30 pm

As far as I know Strobe was modeled (soundwise) after the Juno 60. Has somebody with FXpansion stuff compared this to Diva?

To be honest, in the past I wrote Fxpansion to my "to buy" list but I was never 100% satisfied while demo all the synths in this bundle because I only liked Strobe and than only for bass sounds

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:40 pm

Strobe has various filter types and multiple envelopes, the Juno 60 hasn't. Strobe is far, far more complex in pretty much every aspect

The only thing that's similar IMHO is the one-oscillator approach with multiple waveforms at once.

Urs

pandashake · Post by **pandashake** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:55 pm

I've been using Strobe for pad sounds a lot. The factory presets don't really do it much justice in the Juno 60-ish poly arena, but once you start making your own, it's just as easy to do as on the Juno 60.

At four voices of polyphony, Strobe also consumes less cpu than DIVA, and I don't know if the "within a mix" results are worth the extra cycles. If you have the processing power to spare though, DIVA gives you a lot more options for oscillator tonality and filter character, whereas Strobe has a set "one" oscillator section.

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:59 pm

Jepp. The best stuff I remember was Unison and the very impressive modulation implementation. If binding Unison to the pan fader the stacked voices are spread in the panorama and stuff (nice for creating pads).
Diva has no Unison (the only thing to get a similar sound is IMO the Chorus with the Ensemble type?).

Anyway, for a more basic sound (no Unison and no "special" filters) Strobe should be sound very similar to Diva or are the filters of Strobe completely different and this makes a big difference?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:14 pm

Diva will get unison

pandashake · Post by **pandashake** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:15 pm

I am probably way off bass here, but I seem to recall Andy saying Strobe's LP filter is modeled off the MS-20, whereas DIVA has several different models to select from (Roland, Korg, etc. - correct me if I'm wrong Urs). In that aspect, it would seem that the point goes to DIVA. Maybe I'm getting Strobe's LP confused with the Drop, however.

I like both of them. Not gonna lie. They are both immediately easy to use, (which is a huge selling point for me) but can get complex if you start digging deeper. Coming from a hardware background, I like getting usable sounds with minimal fuss. Both excel in this department.

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:16 pm

It was modeled after Jupiter-6 afaik .. At least I saw video where Andy delved into the inner workings of that synth ..

ryandfl · Post by **ryandfl** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:28 am

I really wanted to like Strobe, but after demoing it for a bit my impression was it sounds kind of cold.

jumper24 · Post by **jumper24** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:00 am

ryandfl wrote:I really wanted to like Strobe, but after demoing it for a bit my impression was it sounds kind of cold.

I feel a little the same way.
- but i also find a real jupiter-6 cold-ish sounding IMHO (had one).
But for me its not a bad thing (sometimes its just what song need)

RiffsAndBeats · Post by **RiffsAndBeats** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:10 pm

ryandfl wrote:I really wanted to like Strobe, but after demoing it for a bit my impression was it sounds kind of cold.

I've used Strobe and DCAM a lot since it was released.
I do mostly electro stuff and Diva replaces DCAM for the "standard" bass stuff for me.
Diva is closer to analog to my ears.
Strobe is more "unique"-sounding generally whereas Diva sounds more like an hardware emulation.
They could very well compliment eachother so try them out for yourself.
Sometimes "Fat and Warm" and "Cold and Elegant" sounds good together

I would describe DCAM as sort of "elegant"-sounding with most patches rather than "cold", it can also be pretty aggressive.

JD Gaffe · Post by **JD Gaffe** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:21 pm

Urs wrote:Diva will get unison

Will we also be able to modulate it different than the original oscillator? That would be ~amazing~

Nokenoku · Post by **Nokenoku** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:26 pm

The problem with the whole DCAM stuff for me are the GUIs. They're just too small. This is really destroying them for me.

@pandashake
Could you post some examples of Juno'ish sounds from Strobe?
I've never considered Strobe to be a candidate for those kind of sounds.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:37 pm

JD Gaffe wrote:
Urs wrote:Diva will get unison
Will we also be able to modulate it different than the original oscillator? That would be ~amazing~

Well, there's various modifiers. The "Voice" modulator works on stacked voices, so if you e.g. stack 3 voices, each will have a different value in the Voice modulator, allowing you to craete parameter offsets among voices.

Then there's the Voice Map and the per-Voice slop parameters that have individual modifications for each physical voice (well 8 physical voices and 8 copies thereof).

On top of that you have the Random and Alternate modulators.

This should provide for a lot of depth in terms of unison variety.

Howard has btw. persuaded me that we'll do voice stacking in Diva, but only between 1 till 4 voices. This, and a proper Unison mode.

Urs

JD Gaffe · Post by **JD Gaffe** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:43 pm

Well you've just convinced another Diva purchase.

rockin1 · Post by **rockin1** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:46 pm

Will we be able to use the voice modulator to affect glide time? This is a pretty cool effect that's possible in DCAM.

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