The Studio Monitor Conspiracy.

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Ok...so why do we use studio monitors anyways? :shock:

Because we want good mixes, right? Of course we do, silly!!! But now here is the thing. We find ourselves wondering what the best studio monitors should be. Well, the author of this article appears to suggest that we call these things.."not for real world monitors" ....

Have a read...and tell me what you think...

http://forum.recordingreview.com/blogs/ ... iracy.html

Something to mull over the next time you find yourself needing monitors...
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And be sure to read the comment thread as well. There are a lot of 'hurrah! I thought so' comments, but also some insightful disagreement.

The main problem with the article is that the author sets up a 'straw man' argument by calling studio monitors "crappy sounding" instead of the more neutral 'neutral.' I make "crappy sounding" to mean: less forgiving of a bad mix.

And if you comment, make sure you don't let anyone know you're registered with the Slutz or you're sure to get flammed!

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You think that's a conspiracy? Lemme tell you something about bread. Ever since the advent of the internet and the proliferation of nutritional knowledge, people have been gravitating away from your standard cut white bread and more towards the healthy grains. Now, white bread is the de facto standard when it comes to toasters. Everyone has a toaster that can toast white bread. I decided white bread wasn't in my best interests and started to buy whole wheat bread, which is indeed baked wider. Now, I go to put my bread in the toaster, and it doesn't fit right. Either I have to scrunch it in, or nibble off the crust. Now I gotta buy a new toaster, because my bread isn't backwards compatible. But the new toaster, cooks bagel cuts. So I say, why not save some energy, and toast my french rolls and pita bread, in the toaster? I put it in, and one side of the bread is now sticking out, hence untoasted. I try to angle it in, but it fails. Now I am hand over fist with large denominated tender, looking for a thick and deep toaster, asking all the salespeople where it is. Meanwhile, my testosterone levels have decreased and my bread is not toasting correctly. Corporate bigwigs are looking through security cameras, laughing at my plight, while they sell toasters to Wonderbread kids, who think bologna is Russian for mastication. But then I realize that supply and demand is working well, as they supply a toaster that won't toast my bread, while I demand a toaster that will. As I was busy arguing with a salesperson, I saw my wife looking doe-eyed at a vegetable peeler. Do you think she is cheating on me?

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I don't know who Paul999 is, but while he is entitled to his opinion, I don't agree. First of all, I love the sound of studio monitors. The biggest difference I hear between montors and regular speakers can best be described as clarity. When I listen to a mix on monitors, I can hear each part of the mix clearly and distinctly. Stereo speakers do not generally provide this level of clarity. I know this is not something that can be measured on a frequency response curve, but it is real.

The purpose of monitors is to provide a neutral listening environment. If I mix on stereo speakers, the mix will sound good on stereo speakers, but chances are it won't sound as good on earbuds or in the car. Monitors make it easier to create a mix that will sound good on a variety of different speakers, earbuds and listening environments. The reason I use near-fields is they minimize the effects of the room on the overall sound.

I agree that spending thousands on high-end monitors is unnecessary for th average project studios. Mid-range speakers for a few hundred are adequate for most purposes.

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What I took away from this was that you use what you love using. Some prefer to use the high dollar near fields and others not so much. Me? I use a mix of different pairs of speakers..including ear buds..

Now, if only we could get people to listen to the music without radio stations compressing them even further... :roll:
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camsr wrote:You think that's a conspiracy? Lemme tell you something about bread. Ever since the advent of the internet and the proliferation of nutritional knowledge, people have been gravitating away from your standard cut white bread and more towards the healthy grains. Now, white bread is the de facto standard when it comes to toasters. Everyone has a toaster that can toast white bread. I decided white bread wasn't in my best interests and started to buy whole wheat bread, which is indeed baked wider. Now, I go to put my bread in the toaster, and it doesn't fit right. Either I have to scrunch it in, or nibble off the crust. Now I gotta buy a new toaster, because my bread isn't backwards compatible. But the new toaster, cooks bagel cuts. So I say, why not save some energy, and toast my french rolls and pita bread, in the toaster? I put it in, and one side of the bread is now sticking out, hence untoasted. I try to angle it in, but it fails. Now I am hand over fist with large denominated tender, looking for a thick and deep toaster, asking all the salespeople where it is. Meanwhile, my testosterone levels have decreased and my bread is not toasting correctly. Corporate bigwigs are looking through security cameras, laughing at my plight, while they sell toasters to Wonderbread kids, who think bologna is Russian for mastication. But then I realize that supply and demand is working well, as they supply a toaster that won't toast my bread, while I demand a toaster that will. As I was busy arguing with a salesperson, I saw my wife looking doe-eyed at a vegetable peeler. Do you think she is cheating on me?
This is probably the most fantastic post ever created :hihi:
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:lol: :lol: ^^^
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Alrighty then......

Barry, I was so turned off after a few of those first comments (that the article guy makes) I just couldn't read it all.

It just seemed so unfocused and ranty. This is fine for a thread at some of the forums :hihi: but not so much for what looked to be a published article.

I don't have the greatest ears in history but I've been in enough studios (home or pro) to know the value of a good set of monitors. If I was serious (which I'm not any longer) I'd have a good set AND I'm pretty hip on what is good in the "reasonable" price range. I also feel plenty comfy with NS10's.

Though I think rokets are ok and the yamahas he mentioned are quite good.....they are not even close to say KRK's 4's, or even 6's.

Anyways......

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camsr wrote:You think that's a conspiracy? Lemme tell you something about bread. Ever since the advent of the internet and the proliferation of nutritional knowledge, people have been gravitating away from your standard cut white bread and more towards the healthy grains. Now, white bread is the de facto standard when it comes to toasters. Everyone has a toaster that can toast white bread. I decided white bread wasn't in my best interests and started to buy whole wheat bread, which is indeed baked wider. Now, I go to put my bread in the toaster, and it doesn't fit right. Either I have to scrunch it in, or nibble off the crust. Now I gotta buy a new toaster, because my bread isn't backwards compatible. But the new toaster, cooks bagel cuts. So I say, why not save some energy, and toast my french rolls and pita bread, in the toaster? I put it in, and one side of the bread is now sticking out, hence untoasted. I try to angle it in, but it fails. Now I am hand over fist with large denominated tender, looking for a thick and deep toaster, asking all the salespeople where it is. Meanwhile, my testosterone levels have decreased and my bread is not toasting correctly. Corporate bigwigs are looking through security cameras, laughing at my plight, while they sell toasters to Wonderbread kids, who think bologna is Russian for mastication. But then I realize that supply and demand is working well, as they supply a toaster that won't toast my bread, while I demand a toaster that will. As I was busy arguing with a salesperson, I saw my wife looking doe-eyed at a vegetable peeler. Do you think she is cheating on me?
That's probably the best post I've ever read on these forums.

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camsr wrote:You think that's a conspiracy? Lemme tell you something about bread. Ever since the advent of the internet and the proliferation of nutritional knowledge, people have been gravitating away from your standard cut white bread and more towards the healthy grains. Now, white bread is the de facto standard when it comes to toasters. Everyone has a toaster that can toast white bread. I decided white bread wasn't in my best interests and started to buy whole wheat bread, which is indeed baked wider. Now, I go to put my bread in the toaster, and it doesn't fit right. Either I have to scrunch it in, or nibble off the crust. Now I gotta buy a new toaster, because my bread isn't backwards compatible. But the new toaster, cooks bagel cuts. So I say, why not save some energy, and toast my french rolls and pita bread, in the toaster? I put it in, and one side of the bread is now sticking out, hence untoasted. I try to angle it in, but it fails. Now I am hand over fist with large denominated tender, looking for a thick and deep toaster, asking all the salespeople where it is. Meanwhile, my testosterone levels have decreased and my bread is not toasting correctly. Corporate bigwigs are looking through security cameras, laughing at my plight, while they sell toasters to Wonderbread kids, who think bologna is Russian for mastication. But then I realize that supply and demand is working well, as they supply a toaster that won't toast my bread, while I demand a toaster that will. As I was busy arguing with a salesperson, I saw my wife looking doe-eyed at a vegetable peeler. Do you think she is cheating on me?
And then stepped forth the most fearsome of all small kitchen appliances, the mighty TOASTER OVEN. With the ability to toast all sizes of sliced breads and bagels, and the added ability of making french fries, small pizzas and chocolate chip cookies, even the gods trembled before its multi-functional might.

( I should add, in a feigning attempt to add to the actual topic of discussion, that I mainly monitor in mono using a single, boxy-sounding left speaker cannibalized from a cheapo Polk Audio PC speaker + sub setup for most of the process of creating and mixing my sometimes adquate hobbyist musics. I have this lone speaker connected to a crummy TEAC amplifier/receiver that my parents gave me for christmas when I was a wee lad of 13. I've never used anything that paraded itself as a "studio monitor," and though I wouldn't be opposed one day to adding such a thing to my arsenal, I can't say that I feel like I'm missing much. My mixes, I find, seem to translate quite well from this very modest setup of mine into the outside world. This probably should not be taken as endorsement of cheapo Polks and Teacs, but rather as a testament to the importance of constantly checking one's mixes against quality reference material, regardless of the quality of the monitors or studio environment we have at our disposal, and learning the ins and outs of the devices we listen on (and those we expect others to listen on). )
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infectedpimple wrote: And then stepped forth the most fearsome of all small kitchen appliances, the mighty TOASTER OVEN. With the ability to toast all sizes of sliced breads and bagels, and the added ability of making french fries, small pizzas and chocolate chip cookies, even the gods trembled before its multi-functional might.
So what you're saying here is that the toaster oven is Ron Paul? :shock:
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rifftrax wrote:
infectedpimple wrote: And then stepped forth the most fearsome of all small kitchen appliances, the mighty TOASTER OVEN. With the ability to toast all sizes of sliced breads and bagels, and the added ability of making french fries, small pizzas and chocolate chip cookies, even the gods trembled before its multi-functional might.
So what you're saying here is that the toaster oven is Ron Paul? :shock:
Hmm, Toaster Oven does offer some practical, non-partisan solutions to modern bread dilemmas. While Toaster oven does not wish to officially endorse any candidate at this time, Toaster Oven is not offended by the comparison drawn in your post.

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hpc already?

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Who you calling a toaster?

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Snivel, snivel, snivel ... just get the damn Toaster app from the Android Market.

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