Infinite drone in Zebra (set release to infinity)?

[Stevee00]

I'm trying to tweak patches in Zebra so that they essentially have no note off. I want to be able to trigger a drone in live performance (from a dedicated NanoKey keyboard for the drone effects) that doesn't stop until I trigger another note or turn it off. Of course I tried setting the release on the envelope to its highest setting, but this seems to be something less than infinite and eventually fades out. What obvious trick am I missing?

Again, this is in live performance, using controllers and keyboards, so I can't do "studio tricks."

I was able to hook up a sustain pedal to toggle sustain off and on, but I want to have it be a feature of some patches and not others.

I have the latest Zebra playing through Ableton Live 8 on a Macbook Pro. (I also have Diva and Ace. Diva is already pushing my CPU with melodic voices, so I don't want to use that for the drone channel. If I can't do it with Zebra, I could reinstall ACE--will that do it?).

Thanks,

Steve

[rsmus7]

I'm trying to tweak patches in Zebra so that they essentially have no note off. I want to be able to trigger a drone in live performance (from a dedicated NanoKey keyboard for the drone effects) that doesn't stop until I trigger another note or turn it off. Of course I tried setting the release on the envelope to its highest setting, but this seems to be something less than infinite and eventually fades out. What obvious trick am I missing?

Again, this is in live performance, using controllers and keyboards, so I can't do "studio tricks."

I was able to hook up a sustain pedal to toggle sustain off and on, but I want to have it be a feature of some patches and not others.

I have the latest Zebra playing through Ableton Live 8 on a Macbook Pro. (I also have Diva and Ace. Diva is already pushing my CPU with melodic voices, so I don't want to use that for the drone channel. If I can't do it with Zebra, I could reinstall ACE--will that do it?).

Thanks,

Steve

I usually do it with a sustain pedal
or maybe you can use midi CC 64 for the sustain

[pdxindy]

If you hold the sustain pedal down while playing a note then turn off the record enable for that track then left go of the note and sustain, the note will go on endlessly

[Stevee00]

Thank you for your quick reply. I did get it to work with CC64 toggle. My question exactly: how do you set any of the Zebra envelopes to have infinite release? I'm relatively new to programming these things, and I think it's got to be possible with the right settings in the envelope. But I haven't been able to find it.

Steve

[xh3rv]

Another quick Ableton hack -

i) create a clip with a 1 bar length
ii) create a note of length 1 bar
iii) loop from 1.2 to 1.4 of that bar
iv) set the start of that clip back to zero (not the loop start however)

[pdxindy]

Thank you for your quick reply. I did get it to work with CC64 toggle. My question exactly: how do you set any of the Zebra envelopes to have infinite release? I'm relatively new to programming these things, and I think it's got to be possible with the right settings in the envelope. But I haven't been able to find it.

Steve

Zebra envelop does not do that...

[justin3am]

Use Zebrify. The VCA in Zebrify is always open by default. It's monophonic but I find it to be great for drones, particularly in hosts that allow you to feed the outputs of an effect back into itself.

[pdxindy]

Use Zebrify. The VCA in Zebrify is always open by default. It's monophonic but I find it to be great for drones, particularly in hosts that allow you to feed the outputs of an effect back into itself.

That is a good idea...

[Stevee00]

Zebrify! That's the kind of brilliant idea I was hoping for--something I never would have tried on my own. Of course I have Zebrify, but never opened it.

And monophonic is exactly what I want. I used to have a little monophonic box (MFB Lite) that sounded great, had good filters, and I could get it to wail one note and feed on itself and then I tweak the knobs. That's what I'm trying to emulate. Zebrify, here I come.

BTW, Xh3rv, I appreciate your clever hack. I can see how that would work. But I don't use clips, believe it or not, in Live. I use it in a bastard sort of way just to hold my VST's and do some intricate routing of audio and MIDI to control my performance setup. I have lots of little controllers, with buttons and knobs dedicated to single functions. And everything goes through Live.

Thanks,

Steve

[JJBiener]

I am not very familiar with Zebra, but I was wondering if you could trigger a latch in the arpeggiator to keep the sound going indefinitely?

[mcnoone]

I am not very familiar with Zebra, but I was wondering if you could trigger a latch in the arpeggiator to keep the sound going indefinitely?

No...not yet anyway.

[dburns]

I saw Robert Rich in concert in 2010. He had folded cardboard and jammed it between keys on his keyboard to achieve these long notes. You can see them also in one of his YouTube videos (sorry, I couldn't find the link).

I remarked to him that I had been looking for a way to do it (create a drone key), and he said it was a pretty low-tech solution, but it worked.

[rsmus7]

Use Zebrify. The VCA in Zebrify is always open by default. It's monophonic but I find it to be great for drones, particularly in hosts that allow you to feed the outputs of an effect back into itself.

how can a setup be, that makes a sound fed in zebrify endless?

I'm using reaper here or I can use ableton

can you explain that?

sorry for my ignorance

[Cyoon]

Use Zebrify. The VCA in Zebrify is always open by default. It's monophonic but I find it to be great for drones, particularly in hosts that allow you to feed the outputs of an effect back into itself.

Will that work with cubase as well? I think not, but maybe you know a trick..

[Stevee00]

Use Zebrify. The VCA in Zebrify is always open by default. It's monophonic but I find it to be great for drones, particularly in hosts that allow you to feed the outputs of an effect back into itself.

Justin, I'd love to get a little more guidance on how to do this too. I know nothing about Zebrify. In fact I think I deleted it; I'll have to re-download. What's Zebrify good for?

Steve