TyrellN6 V2 Changelist?

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Whole lotta skinnin' going on....

Meanwhile, is there a changelist for version 2? I get feeling some presets aren't sounding the way they did on V1. Is that even possible?

Thanks.
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Here's the best info I've found: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 13#4863113
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That's what it is:

- Chorus added
- Voice detune fixed (might be slightly stronger)
- Recompiled with possibly better optimisation here and there
- GUI changed
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Urs wrote:Voice detune fixed (might be slightly stronger)
That was it but I don't understand why that was changed. With Voice mod source on the two oscillators, on my Nerve Runner patch I was using .20 on TuneMod 1 and .10 TuneMod 2. With the change, the closest I can get is .04 on TuneMod 1 and .02 on TuneMod 2 and it's close but not a perfect match.

It's odd to reduce the resolution of a parameter on an upgrade. Maybe this was done to increase what was possible in the extremes? I'll miss the old values.
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Yo, it's actually the Voice modulation source that was the culprit.

It is supposed to evenly distribute the value for each unison voice from -1 to +1, such that 4 voices would end up with values -1, -0.33, +0.33, +1. However, a bug added another value to the division such that it became -1, -0.5, 0, +0.5, with the final +1.0 missing.
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Urs wrote:Yo, it's actually the Voice modulation source that was the culprit.

It is supposed to evenly distribute the value for each unison voice from -1 to +1, such that 4 voices would end up with values -1, -0.33, +0.33, +1. However, a bug added another value to the division such that it became -1, -0.5, 0, +0.5, with the final +1.0 missing.
Hi Urs, Thanks again for updating this wonderful plugin!!! I just have a small question regarding your comment above.

If I understand correctly, you are saying that you found a bug? Is that fixed in a new version that I can download, or is that something that will be fixed at a later date? (assuming, of course, that you said that you found a bug).... :-)

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It's fixed in Tyrell 2.0.
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Urs wrote:Yo, it's actually the Voice modulation source that was the culprit.

It is supposed to evenly distribute the value for each unison voice from -1 to +1, such that 4 voices would end up with values -1, -0.33, +0.33, +1. However, a bug added another value to the division such that it became -1, -0.5, 0, +0.5, with the final +1.0 missing.
Is there a formula I can use to fix my "corrupt" patches, or do I have to bite the bullet and do it by ear?
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Howard wrote:
Urs wrote:Yo, it's actually the Voice modulation source that was the culprit.

It is supposed to evenly distribute the value for each unison voice from -1 to +1, such that 4 voices would end up with values -1, -0.33, +0.33, +1. However, a bug added another value to the division such that it became -1, -0.5, 0, +0.5, with the final +1.0 missing.
Is there a formula I can use to fix my "corrupt" patches, or do I have to bite the bullet and do it by ear?
I think the old version simply went out of tune, i.e. tuned up a few cents while the new version stays in tune.

This basically only affects stacked sounds of course.
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Urs wrote:I think the old version simply went out of tune, i.e. tuned up a few cents while the new version stays in tune. This basically only affects stacked sounds of course.
In e.g. "HS Chordula", I have to halve the Voice>Tuning amounts (only 2 stacked voices), and the overall tuning is way off.

Also (MUCH more serious), both Mac versions (AU and VST) have that dreaded Eb out-of-tune bug.
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Where the Voice modulator has been used on Osc1 to make an interval of odd cents, there's no way to convert a Tyrell 1.0 patch to 2.0 and keep the absolute tuning (relative to concert pitch) of the whole patch.

For example: for a 2 voice stack setting oscillator Source1 to Voice amount = 1.50 tunes osc1 to a minor third (in Tyrell 1.0 you'd need to set Voice amount to 3.00).

But because in T2.0 this pitches the first voice/osc1 up 1.5 and the second down 1.5 (unlike T1.0 which pitched only the second voice up 3 cents), unless Source2 is set to Voice with an odd integer amount, Tune2 then needs adjusting to an increment of 0.5 +/- a whole number (so 1.5, 1.5, 3.5 etc) to bring it back in whole cent tune with osc1.

Either way the result is a patch that is 0.5 cents away from concert pitch. And there's no global tune.

Does that make sense?
Last edited by hakey on Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:19 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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hakey wrote:Where the Voice modulator has been used on Osc1 to make an interval of odd cents, there's no way to convert a Tyrell 1.0 patch to 2.0 and keep the absolute tuning (relative to concert pitch) of the whole patch.

For example: for a 2 voice stack setting oscillator Source1 to Voice amount = 1.50 tunes osc1 to a minor third.

But because it pitches the first voice/osc1 up 1.5 and the second down 1.5, unless Source2 is set to Voice with an odd integer amount, Tune2 then needs adjusting from to an increment of 0.5 +/- a whole number (so 1.5, 1.5, 3.5 etc) to bring it back in whole cent tune with osc1.

Either way the result is a patch that is 0.5 cents away from concert pitch. And there's no global tune.

Does that make sense?
Makes perfect sense. I had the same problem in Diva but it's easy to fix in Diva since there is a global fine tune control.
Would be nice if Tyrell could get something similar!

Cheers
Dennis
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Hmm, yeah.

I've abandoned my T1.0 stacked voice patches. Ignoring the absolute tuning issue, 2 voice stacks are probably convertible - but 3 voices and upwards? Makes my brain itch. :hihi:
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Howard wrote:
Urs wrote:I think the old version simply went out of tune, i.e. tuned up a few cents while the new version stays in tune. This basically only affects stacked sounds of course.
In e.g. "HS Chordula", I have to halve the Voice>Tuning amounts (only 2 stacked voices), and the overall tuning is way off.

Also (MUCH more serious), both Mac versions (AU and VST) have that dreaded Eb out-of-tune bug.
Hmmm... so much for beta testing for only a week.

We've got an updated ui design and all, so maybe we can fix it. But first I have to finish that MIDI Learn stuff.
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Urs wrote:Hmmm... so much for beta testing for only a week.
I suspect time is not the main issue. I'll get me coat... ;)
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