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jumper24 · Post by **jumper24** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:37 am

Yo all

Hmm im looking out for a controller for DIVA (mostly).
- But most controllers only have 8 faders, some stupid drum-pads and what not.
What is the most synth-like-layout controller out there ? (i have a MS20 controller, but its not that great for the task.)
- Or do i really need to get a synth like a JD800, Gaia.

What do you use or dream about ?

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:45 am

What do you... dream about ?

http://www.amazona.de/media/articles/ar ... 20Diva.jpg

mcnoone · Post by **mcnoone** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:49 am

I use an m-audio axiom25, but I've been hoping to get a Yamaha AN1x to use as a controller. Can't get it just yet though.
Maybe you should look into the Novation Impulse.
I'd like to get that 49key model, if I could.
http://www.novationmusic.com/products/m ... s/impulse/

note: I don't really use a lot of assigned knobs though.
I'm just into the feel and aftertouch, or velocity options.
8 knobs is more than I need.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:09 am

WIth our new MIDI stuff there's a good chance that an 8-knob controller can get you almost all the goodness. E.g. you mouse-click into a module and that module becomes attached to your 8 knobs.

There's a bit of setup envolved and we haven't done in-depth testing yet, but still...

(still won't beat a dedicated hardware controller though...)

Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:02 pm

Howard wrote:
What do you... dream about ?
http://www.amazona.de/media/articles/ar ... 20Diva.jpg

This!!!

mcnoone · Post by **mcnoone** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:32 pm

Howard wrote:
What do you... dream about ?
http://www.amazona.de/media/articles/ar ... 20Diva.jpg

Great!
Switch those screws with some black ones though, so they won't show as much.
Some black shoe polish would work as well.

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:20 pm

Urs wrote:WIth our new MIDI stuff there's a good chance that an 8-knob controller can get you almost all the goodness. E.g. you mouse-click into a module and that module becomes attached to your 8 knobs.

There's a bit of setup envolved and we haven't done in-depth testing yet, but still...

(still won't beat a dedicated hardware controller though...)

Is there an ability to select/activate a module area without the mouse? That way you could, EG, assign a button to send the specific areas automation value and give control over that section? If so that would give an 8 knob + 8 button controller quick access (never more than 1 button away) to 64 knob controls, which would be pretty darned nice actually

Curious how far it goes too - EG can you do this for each FX type in slot 1/2 as well? Also, what happens when the controls exceed 8 values? Something like the delay effect has 10 values, so you'd just assign the 2 remaining values in a standard manner?

To give that sort of generic control over both FX slots at the same time would take 2 sets of 8 generic controls too, not just one. So is there an ability to have more than one set of 8 generic controls active?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:45 pm

Many questions... no simple answers...

You can use buttons to switch between "pages", if those buttons send e.g. values 1, 2, 3,..., 8 on the same controller. If it's buttons that send the same value on different controllers, then you can use 2 or 4 of them as cursor keys to flip through pages.

Adressing more than 8 parameters within a page is possible if. e.g. the device has a shift-key that assigns an alternative set of MIDI CCs to those knobs. We might however allow for a button to be a shift key for fixed controllers ourselves. That has yet to be decided and implemented then.

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:16 pm

Urs wrote:Many questions... no simple answers...

You can use buttons to switch between "pages", if those buttons send e.g. values 1, 2, 3,..., 8 on the same controller. If it's buttons that send the same value on different controllers, then you can use 2 or 4 of them as cursor keys to flip through pages.

Adressing more than 8 parameters within a page is possible if. e.g. the device has a shift-key that assigns an alternative set of MIDI CCs to those knobs. We might however allow for a button to be a shift key for fixed controllers ourselves. That has yet to be decided and implemented then.

Using the Akai Mpk49 now with the demo of Diva. The control bank feature allows me to quickly assign all knobs/sliders and pads on all 3 banks with one push of a button.. this works great so 24 sliders/24 knobs/36 pads etc can be used on my controller here.
Great stuff.. tonight i will buy Diva.. great work i like this alot

Rob

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:35 pm

Just ordered Diva and have my serial instant.. thanks this is great

Rob

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:25 pm

Urs wrote:Many questions... no simple answers...

You can use buttons to switch between "pages", if those buttons send e.g. values 1, 2, 3,..., 8 on the same controller. If it's buttons that send the same value on different controllers, then you can use 2 or 4 of them as cursor keys to flip through pages.

Ok, cool. As long as there's a way to map individual buttons to jump straight to defined "pages" that allows for a fast editing flow. I'm not so keen on the idea of cursor keys TBH, but at least it'll maybe give a Novation X/Y pad something useful to assign to for once

Adressing more than 8 parameters within a page is possible if. e.g. the device has a shift-key that assigns an alternative set of MIDI CCs to those knobs. We might however allow for a button to be a shift key for fixed controllers ourselves. That has yet to be decided and implemented then.

I think adding a fixed control to act as a shift key would be a really good idea because most controllers just aren't that smart! I'm hoping / assuming there will also be automation values given to all this stuff?! If it doesn't have Automation then the Novation stuff is a bit like being in a boat without a paddle

From the sound of things you can't you have more than 1 "page" of controls active at once? Is that correct? So there's a single automation parameter name, and you send a value to it to select a page? It'd be great if there were more than one Automation parameter for pages so you could select multiple pages and give individual control of several sets of generic controls at once..

EG A Novation Remote controller, being 24 buttons and 24 knobs/sliders, allows for potential access to 192 knobs/sliders, all never more than a single button push away (AKA The way Novation should have done it.. D'oh! ). But it'd probably take at least 3 unique (non-shared) Automation values for pages so that each set of 8 controls could do their own individual thing without necessarily affecting what the other set of generic controls is doing, if that makes sense?

Either way, it sounds like the new system is going to be a big step forward for automation, so I'm looking forward to trying it

BTW - Did you split the VCO's shared Range/Detune automation value into two unique automation name values? (Please say yes!

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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:33 pm

Multiple active pages have been discussed, but we firstly want to see how it works out with a single selected page at a time.

You can of course still assign more controllers to parameters without using the page paradigm. E.g. some knobs could always control the filters while other knobs are sensitive to pages.

Regarding the whole Automation thing... we need to set up an armada of hosts for testing this. Hosts that always record MIDI while recording parameter automation might not be usable with those ideas.

For Novation users things are easy: We'll fix parameter changes on preset change and Automap should just work with Diva. We'll have a setup to test this too in the upcoming round of beta testing V1.1

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:35 pm

PAK wrote:BTW - Did you split the VCO's shared Range/Detune automation value into two unique automation name values? (Please say yes! )

No. It is and stays one parameter.

But you can assign one MIDI CC as semitones and another one as cents. Or, one as octave and one (preferredly 14-bit cc) as semitone/cents. Latter option might need some more code later this week.

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:52 pm

Urs wrote:Multiple active pages have been discussed, but we firstly want to see how it works out with a single selected page at a time.

Yep, understandable.

PAK wrote:BTW - Did you split the VCO's shared Range/Detune automation
No. It is and stays one parameter.

D'oh.. Then it also stays "broken" with Novation controllers?

But you can assign one MIDI CC as semitones and another one as cents. Or, one as octave and one (preferredly 14-bit cc) as semitone/cents. Latter option might need some more code later this week.

Well, you can't with Novation afaik(?) because it's actually still using the MIDI CC's behind the scenes for the Automap stuff to work. So it doesn't really do mix and match (CC's/Automation).

xh3rv · Post by **xh3rv** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:18 pm

PAK wrote:]Well, you can't with Novation afaik(?) because it's actually still using the MIDI CC's behind the scenes for the Automap stuff to work. So it doesn't really do mix and match (CC's/Automation).

It turns out this isn't the case - with Automap automap-enabled twins of a plug-in get hosted, which allows Novation to hook into parameters that are directly exposed to the host.