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Pokeyoats · Post by **Pokeyoats** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:51 pm

Hello.

Although I am an owner of Zebra 2 I would still like to be able to use Zebra CM (CM subscriber also).

And before anyone says that I can use the CM patches in Zebra 2 I have and they don't sound the same, I reported this to U-HE support, no one cared.

I have installed the DLL in the correct location however in Ableton Live it never sees it. I was previously running a 32-bit OS and could use Zebra CM. Zebra 2 works in Win 7 x64.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:22 pm

True... we should update...

If you want Zebra to sound like ZebraCM you might need to right-click the main edit display and choose the 2.3 compatibility mode in Zebra after loading a patch...

Pokeyoats · Post by **Pokeyoats** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:00 am

This is exactly what support said, this isn't the fix though.

Now, I will admit that the difference is subtle, and I may be being a bit perfectionistic about it as such subleties are bound to be lost in the mix but being able to hear it made me worry that these intrinsic differences could cause problems and therefore warranted the desire of having both VSTs functional.

Frankly, I hate the whole 32/64 debacle. Linux has shown that pravirtualization allows for more memory to be used in 32-bit mode but MS won't budge. I want to be able to use more than 4GB (technically 3.2GB) of RAM in my running OS, why should I be punished for that?

And if it's worth mentioning, Zebra CM is what led me to purchase the Zebra 2.

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:43 pm

Will ZebraCM be updated at some point to resemble its modern siblings ?

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:30 pm

Pokeyoats wrote:Frankly, I hate the whole 32/64 debacle. Linux has shown that pravirtualization allows for more memory to be used in 32-bit mode but MS won't budge.

I'm not sure what you mean here. You can run 32-bit apps on 64-bit Windows, just like Linux. What you can't do is take pre-compiled 32-bit application code and execute it in the same user addressing space as a 64-bit application. You can't do this on Linux or Windows -- you need bridging software in the application to do so.

Your options today are:
* 64-bit app + 64-bit plugins
* 64-bit app + bridge + 32/64 bit plugins
* 32-bit app (4G memory limit per instance of the app) + 32-bit plugins

Windows is already doing application-level address translation to let you run 32-bit apps on 64-bit kernels. I'm hardly a Microsoft apologist but I don't see how MS could fix this. They don't have the source code to these plugins to re-compile them to 64-bit apps.

I use the second option above -- most plugins I use now are 64-bit.

syneas2k12 · Post by **syneas2k12** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:42 am

i'm very diappointed that zebracmwon't work on 64bit systems, i got a 64bit laptop soi could get better performanve out of my DAWs and plugins and zebracm is the one synth i use above all others. now i can't get it working, i've started getting disinterested in making music. please, urs, make it work on 64bit

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:07 am

Did you read bmrzycki's post above? Also it would be helpful to know which sequencer program you are using. If you're using Cubase, you could use jBridge: http://jstuff.wordpress.com/jbridge/. At least that would be an option until this gets updated, if it does.

Pokeyoats · Post by **Pokeyoats** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:29 am

I think it worth pointing out that there are a VAST number of 32-bit VSTs that run just fine in the Win64 environment.

I am an Ableton user, which is still a 32-bit host, and therefore, 32-bit VSTs have to be used, even though many new VSTs are available as 32 and 64 bit. I believe this may be addressed in Live 9, but really, who cares.

In the end, ZebraCM is a 32-bit VST that, for whatever reason, does not work in a 64-bit Windows environment. This really is the exception, not the rule to 32-bit VSTs in a Win64 environment.

Even though the jbridge blog says that it will bridge 32-bit VSTs to a 32-bit host (which is what is needed to be done if syneas2k12 is using Ableton) who wants to spend 15 Euro to find out if this solution works?

Can anyone at least confirm, for this guy, whether jbridge will solve the problem rather than it just being an outright incompatibility of ZebraCM.

I own Zebra2, so in the end it wasn't that terrible for me. Zebra2 works just fine in Ableton on a 64-bit Win platform.

I'll do my best to summarize for you syneas2k12.

If you're using Ableton Live 8 you could purchase jbridge and it MIGHT work, someone really needs to confirm it or you need to contact the jbridge developer.

If you are using a 64-bit DAW such as Sonar or Cubase then you MUST use jbridge in order to use ZebraCM.

Possibly your best course of action is to email the jbridge dev and see if he has a straight answer for you regarding ZebraCM.

Or, maybe someone should get Computer Music Magazine to pay Urs to make ZebraCM work in a 64-bit environment.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:42 am

I see no reason why ZebraCM would not run on a 64 bit system with a 32 bit host. If anything, there's file permission issues which might need to be met by turning off UAC or running Daws as administrator.

Anyhow, we're still working on that major maintenance update for everything - which is still supposed to include ZebraCM.

We're on a good course though. Things are shaping up nicely.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:19 am

Pokeyoats wrote:In the end, ZebraCM is a 32-bit VST that, for whatever reason, does not work in a 64-bit Windows environment. This really is the exception, not the rule to 32-bit VSTs in a Win64 environment.

says who?

Zebra CM, in Live 8.3.4 on Windows7 x64. No extra steps required.

edit : it also loads and works in the other 32-bit hosts on this system; Chainer, AudioMulch, Bidule and Usine.

Pokeyoats · Post by **Pokeyoats** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:05 pm

You do realize that there's nothing in your screenshot that says the windows OS is 64-bit, right. I'm sure it is because why would you lie, but I'm just saying.

This makes no sense to me, I tried zebracm on 32-bit win7, it worked, no need to change permissions. On win764, it didn't.

Ok then, for those of us that don't like running apps as admin, for good reason at that, what permissions do we need to change to get zebracm to work on win764???

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:11 pm

What do you mean it doesn't work in Win7 64-bit? You mean it doesn't run in a 32-bit, or a 64-bit host? It's running fine here, in Cubase, Live Lite, and Reaper 32-bit... and for whyterabbyt, it seems to be running fine in 64-bit hosts on the same OS as well, so there might be something cheesy with your system, the path you install it to or anything...

Edit: Ok, i see now you were running it in Live 32-bit. Weird, as it's working fine in Live Lite 32-bit.

No need to run the host as admin either, or anything.

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:22 pm

... already said ...

Pokeyoats · Post by **Pokeyoats** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:05 pm

The curious thing is that I'm an owner of Zebra2 and it's working just fine using Ableton on win7x64.

I also really want to point out that I am trying to help another user (syneas2k12) who is having the same problem because I sent him here after he posted on the Computer Music Magazine facebook page that he couldn't get ZebraCM to work on a 64-bit OS. The same problem that I had.

In the end I just loaded ZebraCM patches into Zebra2, (I still insist that there's an ever so slightly discernible audible difference though (lol)).

For those of you that have it working what OS, permissions etc. are you using.

I just tried it again, no result. It's not even that it doesn't work so to say, Ableton clearly has a problem with the DLL as it won't display ZebraCM as a valid VST in plug-ins.

Just modified the security on the ZebraCM folder to Users Full Control, still doesn't come up.

Tried to run my Ableton as Admin, it's not an option because it wants me to reauthorize it (and I hate having to beg for more authorizations from Ableton) and wants to rescan all the libraries etc. etc. Screw that; especially given, as I said, that Zebra2 works just fine under UAC and Ableton on win7x64.

Is there an Ableton log or something I could have a look at to see why it skips over ZebraCM on my system. I guess I'm just quite curious at this point, but once again want to reiterate I'm just trying to help out syneas2k12.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:12 pm

Pokeyoats wrote: For those of you that have it working what OS, permissions etc. are you using.

Windows 7 64-bit, Cubase 6 Elements, Ableton Live Lite 8, Reaper 4 (when i still owned it), all 32-bit, VST plugins installed to my D:/ partition, logged into Windows 7 as normal user without admin rights, not executing any of the sequencer software as admin.

Stupid question (i bet it is not the case...), but have you maybe installed your VST plugins into a folder in c:/Program Files (x86)?

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