just got a nocturn and i'm unable to have any decent control of the octave range and detune.
i read through 3 pages of a very old thread but there wasn't any real solution there.
unfortunately this peculiar "feature" of Diva of having range and detune sharing the same automation data seems like a real mess.
anyone found a solution for this? any example map ?
thanks
Automap issue with Range and Detune
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 12055 posts since 12 May, 2008
The best I've come up with is to map the tune to one knob in semi-tones and to another knob in cents. Then I map tune to buttons where it sends +/- 6 semi-tones, so I push it twice either way to go an octave up or down and just be careful not to push it past the limit if it's detuned (or else it resets the detune). Not ideal but it works ok.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 867 posts since 26 Jul, 2009
thanks seems a nifty solutionEchoes in the Attic wrote:The best I've come up with is to map the tune to one knob in semi-tones and to another knob in cents. Then I map tune to buttons where it sends +/- 6 semi-tones, so I push it twice either way to go an octave up or down and just be careful not to push it past the limit if it's detuned (or else it resets the detune). Not ideal but it works ok.
but how does that work in numbers in the automap edit section?
when i try and edit knob value in automap 4.3 here is what i get:
for knobs: min<>from, points<>size, to<>max
for buttons: min<>off , on<>max
what values to enter there?
or just a simple example for the 3vco would be very appreciated
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- KVRAF
- 1617 posts since 11 Dec, 2008 from Minneapolis
The quickest trick with Automap for ultra-fine parameters is to match the numeric precision of the parameter as seen in DIVA. This can be put in the 'points' box and the other terms will update to match. For 60 semitones x 100 cent-wise increments this is 6,001 (an extra 1 for the 0.00 value).olikana wrote:thanks seems a nifty solutionEchoes in the Attic wrote:The best I've come up with is to map the tune to one knob in semi-tones and to another knob in cents. Then I map tune to buttons where it sends +/- 6 semi-tones, so I push it twice either way to go an octave up or down and just be careful not to push it past the limit if it's detuned (or else it resets the detune). Not ideal but it works ok.
but how does that work in numbers in the automap edit section?
when i try and edit knob value in automap 4.3 here is what i get:
for knobs: min<>from, points<>size, to<>max
for buttons: min<>off , on<>max
what values to enter there?
or just a simple example for the 3vco would be very appreciated
I had these on box.net: https://www.box.com/s/f928dcb622abeb0ab326 - might help, there's a template per oscillator module.
Since Automap gets brought up a fair amount here - Akai is apparently doing the same hack of interjecting itself by wrapping plugs in the host for their Max49 keyboard. Might be interesting to see another take on this I guess, seems like no one knows anything yet though.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 867 posts since 26 Jul, 2009
thanks, now what's missing though is the nifty 2 buttons for octaves implementation Echoes suggested.
cos usings the semitone knob for octave switching will affect also the detune amount.not good.
with the button if i undertand correctly the octave will jump up and down leaving the detune in it's place? if the value is correct to jump precisely between octaves it should....no clue what the value could be.
cos usings the semitone knob for octave switching will affect also the detune amount.not good.
with the button if i undertand correctly the octave will jump up and down leaving the detune in it's place? if the value is correct to jump precisely between octaves it should....no clue what the value could be.
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- KVRAF
- 1617 posts since 11 Dec, 2008 from Minneapolis
Oh 
should've read more closely - for this kind of stepping, a button with mode 'step' and 'size' to 6 or -6 (up / down).
(I get blinded my NERDRAGE with automap
- just IMHO, not to trying to persuade anyone but personally I've decided with Automap it's not really plausible to escape mousing quite enough to justify some mappings that just behave better with mousing.)
should've read more closely - for this kind of stepping, a button with mode 'step' and 'size' to 6 or -6 (up / down). (I get blinded my NERDRAGE with automap
- just IMHO, not to trying to persuade anyone but personally I've decided with Automap it's not really plausible to escape mousing quite enough to justify some mappings that just behave better with mousing.)-
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 867 posts since 26 Jul, 2009
if i selct mode "Step" for the button i getxh3rv wrote:Oh
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min/from, points/size, to/max
how do i input -/+6 semitones there?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 867 posts since 26 Jul, 2009
ok made a button that changes octave by just putting 6 in points/size and -24 and +24 from/to and "step" as button mode.
it works fine but only goes up....and resets the detune once i go past highest octave.
if i make another button from +24 to -24 it will still go up (clockwise).
and -6 is not accepted in the point/size box. how do i make a button that goes down ?
it works fine but only goes up....and resets the detune once i go past highest octave.
if i make another button from +24 to -24 it will still go up (clockwise).
and -6 is not accepted in the point/size box. how do i make a button that goes down ?
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- KVRAF
- 1617 posts since 11 Dec, 2008 from Minneapolis
Somehow I got -6 for size to work yesterday but can't check it now - I think the min/max to/from fields bug out, so I might've dodged those
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 867 posts since 26 Jul, 2009
the clockwise +6 octave button is flawless. works perfect
the anticlockwise -6 button i only got it working briefly and always affecting detune.
i don't know whether it's bugged or i'm using wrong steps or else.
the anticlockwise -6 button i only got it working briefly and always affecting detune.
i don't know whether it's bugged or i'm using wrong steps or else.
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 12055 posts since 12 May, 2008
Hey olikana, sounds like you got it mostly figured out. Just need to know the from and to, and the resolution, which as you figured out was -30 to 30 and an increment of 1 for semi-tones and 0.01 for cents.
I don't know how the buttons work on a nocturn but on my SL I can say from 24 to -24 to go down on one of the buttons.
Keep in mind that no matter which way you go, the detune will reset as soon as you go over 24 if your detune is tuned up, and it will be reset if you go down to -24 and your detune is tuned down. That's because it can't go beyond a controls range and cuts it off., thus moving the whole tune parameter. So if you're detuned down and you go up to 24, it won't reset because it hasn't hit the limit of that control and maintains it's relative offset. This is why I suggest having the buttons send 6 or -6 semi-tones from -30 to 30. In this case going to 24 or -24 with the detune either way won't reset it. But you have to hit the button twice every time you want to change an octave.
I don't know how the buttons work on a nocturn but on my SL I can say from 24 to -24 to go down on one of the buttons.
Keep in mind that no matter which way you go, the detune will reset as soon as you go over 24 if your detune is tuned up, and it will be reset if you go down to -24 and your detune is tuned down. That's because it can't go beyond a controls range and cuts it off., thus moving the whole tune parameter. So if you're detuned down and you go up to 24, it won't reset because it hasn't hit the limit of that control and maintains it's relative offset. This is why I suggest having the buttons send 6 or -6 semi-tones from -30 to 30. In this case going to 24 or -24 with the detune either way won't reset it. But you have to hit the button twice every time you want to change an octave.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 867 posts since 26 Jul, 2009
inputting negative values in the Points box will momentarily work then resets itself for no reason (buggy i guess)
what I did is simply input -20.00 in the Size box . and it remains that way.
and now I have a negative octave button that goes backwards without interfering with the detune position untill I go past the lowest range 32' (then obviously it f**ks up).
for now the From/To boxes i left empty as they don't seem to help in this respect but i'll keep tryin with different values.
anyway when i'm using the range buttons i lookup on screen so i'm sure it won't go past the highest/lowest ranges. it works fine for me that way.
what i'm unable to do now is assign one button to different diva parameters.
for example i want one nocturn button to toggle all 3 oscillator modulation switches .
with a normal midi controller it would be as simple as assigning all 3 switches to a same button through diva's learn (basically all 3 switches to a same CC). in automap seems one button can only be assigned to one thing specifically?
what I did is simply input -20.00 in the Size box . and it remains that way.
and now I have a negative octave button that goes backwards without interfering with the detune position untill I go past the lowest range 32' (then obviously it f**ks up).
for now the From/To boxes i left empty as they don't seem to help in this respect but i'll keep tryin with different values.
anyway when i'm using the range buttons i lookup on screen so i'm sure it won't go past the highest/lowest ranges. it works fine for me that way.
what i'm unable to do now is assign one button to different diva parameters.
for example i want one nocturn button to toggle all 3 oscillator modulation switches .
with a normal midi controller it would be as simple as assigning all 3 switches to a same button through diva's learn (basically all 3 switches to a same CC). in automap seems one button can only be assigned to one thing specifically?