type value -> double click or shift click?

[CableChannel]

This seems to be inconsistent over the various plugins. In some plugins you get the popup for typing in a value when you double click on a slider. In other plugins you have to press shift and click. I prefer double click, but that does not work in MStereoProcessor for example.

Is this configurable by any chance?

[MeldaProduction]

It depends on the style - you can just use Settings/Style and choose a different one. Also you may want to try the knobs or buttons (also in Settings).

[CableChannel]

Hm yeah I see, when using buttons style the double click works. But why should sliders and buttons react different? Could you activate the double click for sliders as well? I like sliders most, and I like the double click

[MeldaProduction]

Hm yeah I see, when using buttons style the double click works. But why should sliders and buttons react different? Could you activate the double click for sliders as well? I like sliders most, and I like the double click

No! They just work different way! Or they have a button on the right, that is clickable.

[CableChannel]

But why not enable the double click for sliders? Currently double click does nothing on them, so it wouldn't conflict with anything, but only improve usability.

[DarkStar]

+1

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From the MDynamicEq thread:

Quicky FR: While checking this out, I found myself double-clicking the parameter values, hoping to open the value editor, so that I could enter precise values. I know that Shift+click opens the value editor, could double-click open it too?

[CableChannel]

Yeah that way the operation of sliders would be more consistent with the buttons.

[MeldaProduction]

I'm afraid that it's not that simple folks . Think about it this way: you are dragging a slider, moving the values a lot, clicking like crazy and whoops you click one of them twice -> window... That's quite typical actually. So no, sorry, this won't happen.

[mljung]

I have also double-clicked many times, trying to write numbers, and single clicked for that matter, and thereby switching to a totally different frequency band. Moreover I'm used to press the shift key for fine-adjustment, as so many other plugins and DAWs use this by default. Also right-clicking which does what I'm used to ctrl. click would do - So things can get messy sometimes.

Would be nice if Melda plugins would work more to the usual "standards", one way or the other, making it more fluent and easy to use.

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Mads

[CableChannel]

But Vojtech, for the buttons style you *can* do the double click. Why not for sliders? I can't figure a reason why it should not be possible there. I mean, buttons and sliders are almost identical except: both are used by dragging. Buttons are more narrow so you save space horizontally, and you drag vertically. With sliders you have more space to visualize the value on its scale, and you can drag horizontally which I find much more intuitive. But both are meant for dragging, and one offers value typing on double click while the other does not. Doesn't make sense to me to keep this inconsistency.

[MeldaProduction]

But Vojtech, for the buttons style you *can* do the double click. Why not for sliders? I can't figure a reason why it should not be possible there. I mean, buttons and sliders are almost identical except: both are used by dragging. Buttons are more narrow so you save space horizontally, and you drag vertically. With sliders you have more space to visualize the value on its scale, and you can drag horizontally which I find much more intuitive. But both are meant for dragging, and one offers value typing on double click while the other does not. Doesn't make sense to me to keep this inconsistency.

Not at all! Sliders are dragged horizontally, but here's the important thing: the place you drag them is the actual value. When you drag buttons, you just change the value, but there is NO slider showing the actual value nor any kind of axis. With that in mind it's more likely you will be dragging sliders in a different manner leading to possibility that you press, drag, release and quickly press again, which is double-click.

Quite frankly folks, I don't really know why are we talking about this - if you don't like sliders, just switch it to buttons! Tell me in which other plugin you can change the style and behaviour!

Mads: Sorry, there is no standard. Telling me that we should use "standard" way based on the fact, that some other plugins use that kind of behaviour makes no sense to me. By definition "shift" relates to keyboard, so it should do something with the keyboard -> keyboard entry. Similarly "control" should somehow change the way you control that "thing" -> fine-tuning. This is how it works here (I believe in all controls, if not, let me know! ) and will work here. Right click is reserved for additional actions - setting default value, showing popups with advanced settings etc.

[CableChannel]

Ok now I actually get your point! Better late than never

So the sliders are not only for dragging, but you can also change to a value by single-clicking into the scale. If you click around quickly the popup may open accidently. I am sure it wouldn't happen to me since I use the silders more in a dragging kind of operation, but others might do more (and quick) single clicking.

OK, fine, I will go with buttons and just get used to the vertical dragging.

Thanks for the discussion guys, hope we didn't consume too much development time

[mljung]

Mads: Sorry, there is no standard.

I'm sure you are right - still I find that many [and I mean many] developers has copied each-others ways of doing things, which has meant a certain work-pattern has become natural, a work pattern that doesn't fit all that well with Melda plugs.

Anyhow Vojtech, you are the developer doing things the way you believe is best, which is how it should be. I just wish there was a better overall consistency between developers here But there isn't, it's just how it is...

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Mads

[MeldaProduction]

Thanks for understanding guys

Yeah, there should be a standard, actually many of them... For example, cellphone companies earn still so much of our money just because there is no reall standard for voice-over-ip communications... And it's everywhere... Look at ProTools! How is it possible, that an inferior host with no support for standard plugin formats still exists and creates it's own plugin format (which is no better than the others...), that's really interesting...and sad...