Morphing Between Formant Filters in MWobbler

[Genetic_Junk]

Is it possible to morph between the formant filters in MWobbler? Would automating or modulating the volume of the filters achieve this? Maybe fading out of one formant filter as the other fades in would work.

Basically I'm trying to avoid buying another filter that has the this morphing feature. Hopefully MWobbler can take care of this task.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Edit: I actually was able to get MWobbler to sound pretty good. Although the other plugin sounds like it maintains more of the low end when performing its formant filtering. The distortion in the other filter plugin is very different. The other plugin generates a good helping of higher harmonics while I couldn't get MWobbler to do so. I've linked to five files: the raw waveform generated with MOscillator, MWobbler formant, Other filter formant, and distortions of the latter two using the distortions algo built into each plugin.

Unless someone can get a bit closer than I did, it sounds like the algorithms in each plugin are sufficiently different to warrant have a license for both plugins.

Here are example links:
raw waveform:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
other filter:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
other filter distortion:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
MWobbler:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
MWobbler distortion:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing

[MeldaProduction]

Well, technically formant filters are often just 2 bandpasses, so all you need to do is to use 2 bandpass filters in a nice way. But MWobbler doesn't provide any simple method to morph between 2 different vowels.

Anyway the operation itself seems a little weird to me - besides the fact, that formant filters are really just a very very raw approximation (every A is different), morphing between doesn't seem useful, because in between it wouldn't really imitate any vowel, it would just be 2 parallel band-passes...

[Genetic_Junk]

Thanks for the explanation. I'm not looking for a very realistic vocal sound. I like the sound this other filter can create and hoped MWobbler could reproduce something like it. After work, I'll upload a raw waveform and the vocal filter applied to it as an example.

[farfadetfarfelu]

Well, technically formant filters are often just 2 bandpasses, so all you need to do is to use 2 bandpass filters in a nice way. But MWobbler doesn't provide any simple method to morph between 2 different vowels.

Anyway the operation itself seems a little weird to me - besides the fact, that formant filters are really just a very very raw approximation (every A is different), morphing between doesn't seem useful, because in between it wouldn't really imitate any vowel, it would just be 2 parallel band-passes...

Fractal Audio Axe FX has a type of three state formant filter, it works very well and is a very interesting effect imo.
"ooo - eee - aaahh" etc sounds as they say.

http://wiki.fractalaudio.com/index.php? ... ant_filter

[Genetic_Junk]

I actually was able to get MWobbler to sound pretty good. Although the other plugin sounds like it maintains more of the low end when performing its formant filtering. The distortion in the other filter plugin is very different. The other plugin generates a good helping of higher harmonics while I couldn't get MWobbler to do so. I've linked to five files: the raw waveform generated with MOscillator, MWobbler formant, Other filter formant, and distortions of the latter two using the distortions algo built into each plugin.

Unless someone can get a bit closer than I did, it sounds like the algorithms in each plugin are sufficiently different to warrant have a license for both plugins.

Here are example links:
raw waveform:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
other filter:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
other filter distortion:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
MWobbler:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
MWobbler distortion:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing

[MeldaProduction]

I actually was able to get MWobbler to sound pretty good. Although the other plugin sounds like it maintains more of the low end when performing its formant filtering. The distortion in the other filter plugin is very different. The other plugin generates a good helping of higher harmonics while I couldn't get MWobbler to do so. I've linked to five files: the raw waveform generated with MOscillator, MWobbler formant, Other filter formant, and distortions of the latter two using the distortions algo built into each plugin.

Unless someone can get a bit closer than I did, it sounds like the algorithms in each plugin are sufficiently different to warrant have a license for both plugins.

Here are example links:
raw waveform:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
other filter:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
other filter distortion:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
MWobbler:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
MWobbler distortion:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing

Try putting a distortion after MWobbler. From the sound and even the waveform it looks like it has been distorted after the filtering. It also looks like a purely digital distortion, try MWaveshaper.

[Genetic_Junk]

I actually was able to get MWobbler to sound pretty good. Although the other plugin sounds like it maintains more of the low end when performing its formant filtering. The distortion in the other filter plugin is very different. The other plugin generates a good helping of higher harmonics while I couldn't get MWobbler to do so. I've linked to five files: the raw waveform generated with MOscillator, MWobbler formant, Other filter formant, and distortions of the latter two using the distortions algo built into each plugin.

Unless someone can get a bit closer than I did, it sounds like the algorithms in each plugin are sufficiently different to warrant have a license for both plugins.

Here are example links:
raw waveform:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
other filter:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
other filter distortion:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
MWobbler:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing
MWobbler distortion:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing

Try putting a distortion after MWobbler. From the sound and even the waveform it looks like it has been distorted after the filtering. It also looks like a purely digital distortion, try MWaveshaper.

Here it is with MWaveshaper and MCompressor after MWobbler. Not as much distortion, but a cool sound

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Mn8-_ ... sp=sharing

Any tips on maintaining the bass like the other filter (clean version)? Maybe using the wet/dry? Might be useful to have a wet/dry for each filter as well as a global.

Thanks again for your help.

[MeldaProduction]

It seems to me the bass frequencies are kept similar, but the problem is the stereo - you kept the other filter more or less monophonic, but with MWobbler there's quite some phase difference between the channels (I think that's it), which makes it sound very different.

[Genetic_Junk]

That's true for distorted version. But I was referring to the clean versions for the bass. I think using the wet/dry control would work to keep the bass like the other filter. Also a wet/dry for each filter would be useful because it would allow fading between the two filters.

[MeldaProduction]

I'd rather just us an eq afterwards. With dry/wet you never really know...