Satin-Flanger; appropriate routing?

[Arrested Developer]

Maybe this has already been discussed, in that case i apologize...

The question is how to make the best routing for satin when used in Flanger mode?
Let's say i have one special point in a track, where i want to use the "trigger" feature on the sum.
But beside this passage i want to have a normal, non-flanging sound.
If i work with sends, i think there will be some duplications in the original signal; if i use the effect
as insert, i will have to bypass it (what may cause some artefacts).

Or is it appropriate to work with a pre-fader whose send amount i use opposite to the level of the original signal?

[Ch00rD]

In some hosts (e.g. REAPER) you can automate the dry/wet balance of a plug-in, in which case you could simply use it as an insert.

However, since not all hosts do have such a feature, I think it would make sense to add a dedicated dry/wet control knob in Satin's Flange mode as well. I guess the "Mix" parameter that is available in the Delay mode could be used for this as well?

[#rob]

Easiest way out: automate the plugin bypass?

[Arrested Developer]

Thanks for the answers so far!

@ChOOrd: unfortunately, Logic doesn't provides the wet/dry balance...
Maybe this could be an upcoming feature in Satin

@Rob: the problem with bypassing is the crackle-noise (just tested it...)

[sascha]

Maybe I'm missing something, but the flange mode was exactly designed for that certain unique situation in a song; flange one time and do nothing elsewhere.

The flange process is completely out of the way at the far ends of the fader, likewise the display. So, once you've triggered the process and the sequence went fully through, you end up with the dry signal again. The flange mode not only changes delay but also crossfades between fully dry and 50:50.

All you have to do is automate the trigger so that it fires at the right time, and Satin does the rest for you. No routing required.

[Ch00rD]

Maybe I'm missing something, but the flange mode was exactly designed for that certain unique situation in a song; flange one time and do nothing elsewhere.

The flange process is completely out of the way at the far ends of the fader, likewise the display. So, once you've triggered the process and the sequence went fully through, you end up with the dry signal again. The flange mode not only changes delay but also crossfades between fully dry and 50:50.

All you have to do is automate the trigger so that it fires at the right time, and Satin does the rest for you. No routing required.

I guess what bothers the OP with simply inserting Satin in Flange mode, is that the flange process may be completely out of the way by the end of the triggered fader ride, but Satin's tape sound is not completely out of the way. So if one would already have an instance of Satin on the master bus, but also want to have a single-shot triggered flange at some point, one would have two instances adding tape character instead of just one.

[Arrested Developer]

Thanks again;
ChOOrd was faster then me, but it's exactly as he wrote: while it's possible to avoid an ongoing flanging by setting the cursor to the end of the fader, still there is the tape effect itself.

[sascha]

I understand, but... hey, you can't have real tape flanging without the tapes. What you describe is a fixed digital delay paired with a tape approaching from either side. That's not what was on our minds.