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rasmusklump · Post by **rasmusklump** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:04 am

Hi,

as much as I love the Melda limiters, mainly bevause they can work with no latency, I have a big problem with them:
On all bassheavy busses or in times where only a bass guitar is playing they add a very audible distortion/crackling. I have tried wit with different attack and release times but can't get rid of it. This happens with the Multband Limiter, the free one and the Dynamics limiter as well.

What can I do against it or what am I doing wrong ?

Cheers
Alex

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:45 am

Hi,

can you send me an audio to check it out? I'm pretty sure your bass is just too loud, that's pretty typical, and there's essentially no way to fix it then without artifacts. Sometimes the artifacts are actually a good thing.
Anyway what you are describing is a very general problem of any limiter/saturator in the world, so you will need to be more specific, ideally provide some audio.

Davias · Post by **Davias** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:28 am

I got the same problem with MLimiter. I even wondered if it was not a clipper instead of a limiter, but some algos are named limiter while other are named clip....

If I slap a LoudMax on the same channel, the overall volume got attenuated, but no distortion. (which I don't like too because it becomes way too quiet, but then I slap a clipper before the loudmax, to bring back a little bit of the volume without going into too much distorted sound).

For now, I use LoudMax as a track limiter, to put on almost every tracks, and also onto sub-busses (my master buss has Limiter n°6 or Maximus for now). I wanted to replace LoudMax with MLimiter because it is really low on the cpu and have no latency as said. But I ran into same problem as OP did, so I forget this idea

I guess different limiters have different strategies regarding bass heavy content. While testing high-end limiters, I saw AOM invisible limiter not liking too much bass heavy content, while Pro-L handled those just super easily.

rasmusklump · Post by **rasmusklump** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:36 am

Hi,

I will render a clip during the day. But everytime I change the Limiter to the bx-limiter for example the distortion goes away with the same bass amount.

In two hours I have the files.

Cheers and thanks
Alex

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:07 am

Actually folks MLimiter is a saturator, not a limiter. It's kind of a very ancient mess-up, but it cannot be renamed for the sake of backward compatibility. Here's the info:

http://www.meldaproduction.com/plugins/ ... d=MLimiter

Here's some info:

http://www.meldaproduction.com/audiotut ... miters.php

And here's a video tutorial comparing different limiters/maximizers:

Davias · Post by **Davias** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:43 pm

Thanks for the explanation Vojtech, it makes sense now ^^
This is why I got similar results with Maximus saturator section.

I think I will re-introduce MLimiter in my workflow, sure I need good saturation at some stage of my mixes ^^ (I should have read the manual also

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rasmusklump · Post by **rasmusklump** » Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:13 pm

I have pmd the link to two examples.

Cheers
Alex

rasmusklump · Post by **rasmusklump** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:02 pm

any news on this ?

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:53 pm

Ok, I checked the samples, but what should I find out from that? You are comparing a single band limiter with some settings to a multiband limiter with some settings... And of course, each limiter with work differently even with the same settings...
It would be useful to get me the dry sample, and the "bx" processed one, that way I could try here to get similar results, but even then I cannot guarantee I get the same thing. For example, you can get rid of most distortion by increasing release time, but then the limiter starts being useless, just an example.

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:19 pm

MeldaProduction wrote:Actually folks MLimiter is a saturator, not a limiter. It's kind of a very ancient mess-up, but it cannot be renamed for the sake of backward compatibility. Here's the info:

http://www.meldaproduction.com/plugins/ ... d=MLimiter

Here's some info:

http://www.meldaproduction.com/audiotut ... miters.php

And here's a video tutorial comparing different limiters/maximizers:

Just an idea to tidy things up - rebuild it as MSaturator too and for MLimiter itself change the name within the GUi to "Mlimiter (Sat)" as a reminder. Include both in the download. New users can then just use MSaturator and old users can replace MLimiter by MSaturator as and when they wish.

Perhaps add a clarification to the MLimiter Help page, too.

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