Can I create swinging delay lines with MFM2?

[crazyfiltertweaker]

Im searching for a swinging delay like soundtoys echoboy, which have a swing parameter. Is MFM2 able to do?

And if it possible with the "ratio" knobs, how can I calculate the "right" swing?

thanks for help!

[crazyfiltertweaker]

Can I? please answer.

[Urs]

hey, it's weekend here

But yes, of course you can. Look here:



start with the default preset

- set delays 3+4 to 0 output
- set delays 1+2 to monosum input
- set the user matrix up so that delays 1+2 get feedback only from delay 1
- pan delays 1+2 fully left/right
- crank global feedback up to taste

-> now the Ratio knob of delay 2 is your swing knob. At 0.66 you have a nice swing, at 0.5 you have straight 8th ping pong

Cheers,

- Urs

[Sendy]

To generalize:

Q: Can I do [delay-related thing] with MFM2?

A: Yes.

[crazyfiltertweaker]

wow, Im pretty imprressed about MFM2! Never heard anything like this!

One more question:
How can I calculate the swing amount in percent to the ratio? As example:
I want a swing of 60%, can I calculate to a ratio amount?

By the way, I'm going to get it!

[Urs]

wow, Im pretty imprressed about MFM2! Never heard anything like this!

One more question:
How can I calculate the swing amount in percent to the ratio? As example:
I want a swing of 60%, can I calculate to a ratio amount?

By the way, I'm going to get it!

I'm not sure... if, say

no swing = 0%, then Ratio would probably be 0.50 for 0% swing
if 100% swing is considered a dotted feel, like 3/16th then Ratio would be 0.75 for 100% swing

It really depends on what's meant by 60% Swing.

Do you have a link that explains this?

[Sendy]

I'm not sure if a standardised measure for swing exists. I tend to think of it as like a duty cycle, 50% being straight, 66% being triplet feel, 90% being speed garage in the mid nineties

[xh3rv]

I'm not sure if a standardised measure for swing exists. I tend to think of it as like a duty cycle, 50% being straight, 66% being triplet feel, 90% being speed garage in the mid nineties

I think the most flexible general forms for swing in a MIDI-ish format end up being irreducible from a bar or a few bars of timing (and possibly velocity) impulses. Dunno how many or which but at least some DAWs use this sort of approach. Guess it's not generally possible to get 3rd party plugs to sync with these, except for explicitly transcribing some bars directly into plug parameters (like tap times on a delay).

Not the whole story but one I really like is how many ways polyrhythmic forms are integrated into more uniform, Western time signatures, in music of African diaspora. It's not precisely mathematical but not completely arbitrary either ... eventually ends up here I think