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Sleepwalker · Post by **Sleepwalker** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:44 pm

Its very tempting with the extended discount time, even on a low budget I could get it. But the thing is I have already Ace (and Diva and Satin) and im still far away from fully grasping Ace. Still have problems fealing fully confident with basic stuf like lfo or envelope modulations. (Had it since it was released)

Whats tempting with Bazille is the awesome sound engine. Though for now I think at my skill level of u-he synths the money I have at hand in the following weeks comes to better use with the new Cytomic filter. Its very easy and fast workflow to use if on a tight scedule, it sounds great and its very usable on loads of stuf, even on synths.

Will be interested in Bazille later for shure, but I think I can wait until the Berlin Modular and more processor power in some years. It taxes to much now for my current style of work anyway. Workflow with what I have is important as I make a living form this with deadlines and such. Also think I should buy and learn Zebra at some point.. Seems like its the holy grail of vst synths.

I almost bought Bazille a couple of times, but then I thought (with creditcard in hand) "will I have time to learn it"? Hmm.. Well, Id like to master Ace first and then we will see if there is time. This synth takes a lot of time to master.. Time I struggle to find.

People buying Bazille, is it mostly sound designers, modular geeks etc, or is it also everyday pro music production (as in making a living from) folks?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:01 pm

You have to decide that... but I consider Bazille indispensable...

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:43 pm

I can't make your decision for you (sounds like you already decided anyway, somewhat

). But, I found ACE a lot easier to get my brain around than Bazille. ACE is perfect for teaching yourself to "think modular". It's made me a better synthesist. Obviously I know how to work Bazille, but I don't feel I've mastered it in the way I have ACE, I guess because it's so much more complex in many ways.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:03 pm

Sendy wrote:I can't make your decision for you (sounds like you already decided anyway, somewhat ). But, I found ACE a lot easier to get my brain around than Bazille. ACE is perfect for teaching yourself to "think modular". It's made me a better synthesist. Obviously I know how to work Bazille, but I don't feel I've mastered it in the way I have ACE, I guess because it's so much more complex in many ways.

I agree, the oscillators in Bazille are great, but, if you're struggling with ACE then you might not get the most out of Bazille. On the other hand, because of the oscillators, Bazille is really quite different from ACE. So, if your major concern is overlap, I wouldn't let that hold you back.

Sleepwalker · Post by **Sleepwalker** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:37 am

Thanks Sendy. Yeah im going to fully grasp Ace at some point, im sure about that. Just need more focused time to learn it. There are some good videos out there to help.

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:56 am

@Sleepwalker: Please study the manual

Sleepwalker · Post by **Sleepwalker** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:33 pm

@ Howard:

Coming from the writer himself I will take that gentle "rtfm" as an invitation to inspiration. Though as I wrote above, time is the obstascle here not will.

Looking more forward to that time now!
Btw. Your Accsess Virus documents was great. I remember those from years back. (Back when I had more time to study synths) Loved the guide into synthesis or whatever it was called.

Sleepwalker · Post by **Sleepwalker** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:45 pm

pdxindy wrote:You have to decide that... but I consider Bazille indispensable...

Well, my question at the end of the post was:
People buying Bazille, is it mostly sound designers, modular geeks etc, or is it also a big % of everyday pro music production (as in making a living from) folks?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:19 pm

Sleepwalker wrote:
pdxindy wrote:You have to decide that... but I consider Bazille indispensable...
Well, my question at the end of the post was:
People buying Bazille, is it mostly sound designers, modular geeks etc, or is it also a big % of everyday pro music production (as in making a living from) folks?

At the moment I think it's mostly tweakers. But as the marketing department at u-he points out, "over 1700 presets" is going to make Bazille enticing as a bread'n'butter synth as well

Sleepwalker · Post by **Sleepwalker** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:45 pm

Haha, very tempting Urs.

Even though I love good preset libraries I always want to adjust them to my music, so im going to have to learn this synth if I get it. Its maybe not for me exactly now in my position, but I will keep (as usual) a tight surveillance of your news flow. I do love all your stuff. If I don't jump on the Bazzile wagon just now, I will guarantee I cant resist Berlin Modular in the future. That thing could make me go on a weecation/study mission. I will probably also jump on the Zebra wagon at some point.

For now im enjoying Ace and Diva a lot. They are in almost all my productions. Really great sounding synths! Among the highest quality sound on the marked.

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:00 am

Urs wrote:At the moment I think it's mostly tweakers. But as the marketing department at u-he points out, "over 1700 presets" is going to make Bazille enticing as a bread'n'butter synth as well

I'm really looking forward to the Factory bank!

Sleepwalker · Post by **Sleepwalker** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:41 am

Whoa, just realized Zebralette is now for free!
And the coolest thing about it:
"Zebralette is just one of Zebra2's oscillators packed into a simple, easy-to-learn framework – but you have everything you need to make some pretty amazing sounds. Sounds that can be directly loaded into Zebra2 later. And should you eventually decide to upgrade to Zebra2, you will already know everything there is to know about the oscillators – which is quite an advantage!"

Pretty awesome, just downloaded it. Great first steps to learn Zebra, cant wait to start learning this little baby Zebra. Thanks guys!!

http://www.u-he.com/cms/zebralette

Sleepwalker · Post by **Sleepwalker** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:39 am

I read the whole Zebralette manual last night. Its a lot more stuf going on there then one would think by just looking at the interface. But I think im able to run this thing now!

Really nice sounds. Only thing im missing is a parameter to modulate the lfo speed. Ive made some nice bass, kicks, leads, drones, though snares was hard without some sort of noise generator. One thing that will take some time to learn is all the fx modes. For now I only used the filter fx which was easy to grasp; it works just like a normal filter. All the rest im starting to have control over now. A bit confusing the difference of the 4 oscilator modes, but it seemed comprehendable from the manual. Really cool and intuitive way to create morphing transitions with the osc waves.

So when you fully grasp Zebralette, shold the transition to Zebra be a lot or a little easier?

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:47 am

I would say quite a lot - Zebralette is basically a single Zebra osc, you can even import Zebralette patches as osc presets. It shows how much power there is in just one osc, and you have 4 plus so much more in Zebra but understanding how the oscs work is a good step.

Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:47 am

I've been asking this question often, sorry urs, but is the latest version working with Orion and won't crash immediately after switching presets. Last time I ask

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Bazille, do I need it?