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sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:55 pm

Hello,

Happy Mconvolution user here.

Today, i started to use deeper features in Mconvolution, and while it is a very powerful plugin, I couldn't figure out how to do some (rather basic) things :

- I was using the two IR slots ("A" and "B"), and I would like to use one combo/amp IR (so 100%wet) with a reverb IR (so, not 100% wet) : could anyone tell me how do i set up each IR dry/wet ?

- Also, I wanted to use the IR "A" more on the left channel, and the IR "B" more on the right channel, and didn't either find how to do it

So, basically, could anyone tell me how to find the dry/wet and the Pan slider for each IR ? Isn't it possible (it would surprise me : we have volume/LP/HP per IR slot, as well as 4 modulators, so it would be rather curious not to have also pan and mix balance sliders

) ?

Thank you in advance

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:06 pm

Ok, for the dry/wet, I think i have found : You have to set the routing as parallel (untick "serial", then, a "ratio" setting appears) :

Is that the right way to do it ?

Now, let's go and search how to find the pan settings

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:16 pm

Unfortunately I believe "ratio" is the balance between A and B. The dry/wet is global and can't be different for A and B.

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:24 pm

Thank you for your answer, jmg8.
So, if this is true, Vojtech, woudl you consider this as a FR ?

I think i would use a mix balance knob and a pan knob a bit more than volume / LP / HP sections (which are still great, btw).

Being able to use one IR slot for "insert" convolution (like amp, cab, etc.) and another one for "aux" convolution (for more classic reverb duties) lead to great results, and are an incentive to experiment...

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:28 pm

You could always just use 2 instances of the plugin?

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:33 pm

Yes, of course, but what's the use of the 2 slots, then ?

Also, I would appreciate to be able to make my own custom "stacked" preset libraries, which is way more handy when you have one single plugin.
Also, it would ease up the cpu quite a bit.
Then, it's better for "sound designing" to have one single plugin window where you can adjust everything at a glance, and use the modulators, etc etc.

vectorwarrior · Post by **vectorwarrior** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:43 pm

That's where MXXX comes in

vectorwarrior · Post by **vectorwarrior** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:46 pm

Also, I think you could do this in mconvolution by setting up a two band setup with your two irs configured as you'd like, but in the band setup select 'disable'. That will send the full signal to each band, rather than filter them. It works in parallel though, so maybe not what you're looking for.

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:47 pm

Well, in my opinion, almost all reverbs out there are thought of as a single reverb per instance. I feel this is the same. The reason there are slots A/B is to blend the attributes of two different spaces into one reverb. Not completely separate.
So I would just use the A/B feature when you want to take some character from two different sources, but still think of it as just one reverb.

As for the pan feature, I don't believe there is a setting for this. However, there are a few ways around this off the top of my head. You could pan the original impulse before loading it into MConvolution. Or if you go into the advanced settings there is a delay for left and right channel. If you delay the right channel for example it will sound like its more to the left.

vectorwarrior · Post by **vectorwarrior** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:54 pm

I asked for a feature request of having pan volumes a while back. I think it makes sense, I have a lot of badly balanced irs, makes things quicker if you can balance in the plugin.

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:03 pm

Ok, I have found it : it is possible (far from intuitive, but still : possible

) :

You have to go in the band editor : "disabled : run all band as parallel process".
There, you don't have any crossover, but each band behaves as full spectrum (each with 2 reverb slots !), and you can set the panning in the band editor (top of the GUI).

By the way, Vojtech, if you read us, would you mind telling us if "auto-set limits by analyzer" does what i imagine (autodetecting split point for each band) ?

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:19 pm

Also, while playing a bit more with those newly discovered features, i tried to play with modulation, and it seems that few parameters are modulateable, am i correct ?
I wanted to modulate such parameters as IR stretching, predelay, width, and also dampening (LP/HP), and unless i did something wrong, i didn't see it in the modulation target list ?

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:24 pm

vectorwarrior wrote:I asked for a feature request of having pan volumes a while back. I think it makes sense, I have a lot of badly balanced irs, makes things quicker if you can balance in the plugin.

Oh, and, by the way, stil +1 for a quick and dirty PAN (and DRY) knob directly on the IR slot : I think it makes things easier and faster, and also it allows to be automatable.
(Also, a "mute" button for each slot would be great).
I'm glad I found the "parallel band trick", as it allows for deep experimentation, but the workflow is not ideal and it involves many mouseclicks and tabbing.

goldglob · Post by **goldglob** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:44 pm

See this topic for how the disable crossover thing came about.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 8&t=433236

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:58 pm

Argh, long reading

, well, long quick reading

.

Ok so:
- Disabled crossover indeed lets you do that. And guess what, each band has input panorama

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- MXXX is indeed just for these experiments

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- auto-set limits by analyzer does that indeed - sets the crossover to have similar level in each band. You usually need some sort of averaging in the analyzer.
- Pan - sorry, no, there are already so many options (plus the input panorama).
- Multiple instances - the CPU overhead should be minimum unless you are running like dozens of plugins in a row

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- Modulating IR parameters - sorry, that's not possible. Preparing IRs requires tremendous amount of CPU (which you may feel yourself when changing these parameters)

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