MXXX for creative bundle ?

[Daags]

Just curious if a version of MXXX for (owners of) the Creative Bundle will ever come to be ? Basically an MXXX limited to only the plugins available in the Creative Bundle, thus owners of the bundle get it included with the bundle price or for an upgrade fee for existing owners if needs be.

[MeldaProduction]

Version for MCreativeBundle is a no, but there still can be the "by box" version, attached to the plugin licences you own. But not sure yet.

[jmg8]

If you do the by the box version (which I think you should) I think include all the plugins, but with noise limitation on plugins that are not owned. That way all the presets would work and people could demo certain routing and fx chains, leading to more purchases.

[MeldaProduction]

Well, good point to think about...

[Daags]

I don't see myself spending a thousand euros, or half that during an intro/promo period, just to use the plugins I already own in a rack/wrapper style plugin...

[MeldaProduction]

I perfectly understand that. The point about MXXX is NOT about having the same plugin, but having the tremendous modularity with them. And of course the hunderds of active presets, which actually are like new plugins. So right now there's 500+ plugins for 399 EUR, that means 500 plugins, less than 1 EUR each .

[jmg8]

I don't see myself spending a thousand euros, or half that during an intro/promo period, just to use the plugins I already own in a rack/wrapper style plugin...

I think you misunderstand, or I do! Ha ha
When you buy MXXX it comes with ALL the plugins inside, not just the ones you currently own.

[Daags]

I don't see myself spending a thousand euros, or half that during an intro/promo period, just to use the plugins I already own in a rack/wrapper style plugin...

I think you misunderstand, or I do! Ha ha
When you buy MXXX it comes with ALL the plugins inside, not just the ones you currently own.

ya, I know. But - if you own the MTotal bundle - i.e ALL the plugins - you also get MXXX.

That's why I'm saying to simply provide MXXX to owners of other bundles too, albeit with access limited to only modules that you already own.

MXXX is simply a rack or wrapper or aggregate style plugin. It hosts and routes plugins and saves presets. Like NI Kore, or the rack system that will come with Soundtoys 5, or any of the many modular style hosts out there like say plogue bidule or mux or usine etc. The difference being they're not trying to charge you anywhere from 500 - 1000 euros to simply use the plugins you already own...

that's why the current price is, as far as I'm concerned, way out of touch with reality. If you didn't own a single Melda plugin - OK, sure, you could possibly argue in favour of its 1000 euro price tag - so long as you essentially got to fully control and implement all the plugins within MXXX and weren't just limited to preset/macro usage like in the many 'player' versions of plugins out there.

but, like I say/suggest, it should - imo - be made available at the very least to owners of other bundles. I really can't imagine anyone who has already spent the money on one of the other bundles spending anywhere even remotely close to 500 euro, let alone 1000, just to use the plugins they already own in a Kore-esque way.

I'll buy a kore license for a fraction of this price, and also get a kool hardware controller include, and get to use it with every plugin I own not just NI stuff... or simply stick to using plogue etc.

anyway I guess the process of time will reveal to Melda how workable the current model of pricing actually is, I know since they were thinking of going down the subscription route not long ago they are probably still trying to thinking of unorthodox ways of monetizing their code. Best of luck to them, but they saw sense with the subscription thing so I hope they see sense with this too : )

[jmg8]

Well, yes as Vojtech just mentioned. He is already considering the "by box" version. Which is what you are describing. Also if you already own some of the plugins there are very generous discounts offered to upgrade to MTotalBundle.

[Daags]

Well, yes as Vojtech just mentioned. He is already considering the "by box" version. Which is what you are describing. Also if you already own some of the plugins there are very generous discounts offered to upgrade to MTotalBundle.

I don't need the Total Bundle ... so it's very expensive no matter which way you dice it.
just like a half-price Kobe steak is very expensive way to spend money for a vegetarian....

[ZentralmassivSound]

MXXX is simply a rack or wrapper or aggregate style plugin.

Well I don't no Kore, but MXXX is far more than a simple wrapper or rack. I would rather compare it to a streamlined / stripped down version of Reaktor. The plugins inside it can interact with each other in multiple ways, sending the audio signal or a control signal to each other, syncing or connecting modulations in various ways, etc.

So this framework has it's extra functionality and value. Maybe it should really be sold as this, separate from the individual plugins (somebody mentioned this idea), and for a reasonable price. So if you buy it, you can only use the plugins with it that you own. This however means that probably most of the bundled presets can't be used in full functionality if you don't own the total bundle, thats a disadvantage.

So maybe it's best offering two options:

1) buy MXXX including all plugins, which you can use inside MXXX only, for a price some slices lower than the total bundle

2) buy MXXX as on-top functionality for your existing plugins, at a significantly lower price

[Daags]

I don't want presets. I mean, sure, if they're there I'll explore them to get an idea of things sound...but I don't buy something for it's presets.
I do however realise that some people do... in which case simply sell a 'player' version of MXXX, or add a 'player' element to it ... so that you don't get to program with or use any modules you don't already own, but you do however get to use presets that include them - albeit with no control over the modules you don't own.

this player/macro thing is used by many companies as a means of selling presets to non-programmer types...and the rule is they only charge preset-bank prices, not for the underlying inaccessible code that's driving the presets.

so 500 - 1000 euros ? for this ? no ... back to the drawing board I'm afraid.

but anyways, yes, your number 2 suggestion is exactly what I'm proposing ...well, almost exactly. Just as the MXXX is given to Total bundle owners (despite MXXX having a currently standalone value of 1000 euros), I would like to see it given to other bundle owners albeit restricted to the plugins they own. But yes, I could of course swallow a reasonable fee to add MXXX to my bundle if it comes to it.

[Daags]

I just hope melda see sense soon, before they feel trapped at its current price tag due to having sold licenses at these prices and wanting to avoid causing great upset to someone who owns a bundle and paid a further 500 (intro price, actual proposed price is 1000 euros [!!!!!]) for something that ends up being included in the bundle they already owned, or sold at a more realistic (imo) update price.

[jmg8]

Well my idea, was: To only have 1 version of MXXX to keep things really simple. That way everyone can download the same version and use ALL the presets. With demo versions of Melda plugins we get the noise limitation, this should be per plugin inside of MXXX.
That way you can try out some of the 500+ active presets even if you don't own the plugin. This would encourage people to buy some of the plugins they don't currently own to make some more presets work. And anyone who own some smaller bundles, would automatically have the noise restriction removed for the plugins they own.

[Daags]

I wouldn't really care how Melda would handle the plugins I don't own. Whether it would be treating them like a macro/player device, or adding noise, or removing them all together (which would be my choice - or at least having the option to hide them) ... it's all good with me, so long as I could use the plugins I already own freely - beyond that point I would not really be compelled to make an argument one way or the other.

But yes, your idea jmg8 seems fine to me. The only thing I'd want you to clarify is, what price you propose people pay - if at all ?