Apple Alchemy (camel audio) any new features?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5175 posts since 29 Apr, 2006
Anyone know if any features have been added to Alchemy since the vst was taken away and it was included in Logic? Can you still load alternate tunings?
Any features taken out?
Any features taken out?
- KVRAF
- 35300 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
This is some of what was added in the first release:
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2015/08/d ... whats-new/
but it misses out some things, eg there are several new effects (including a convolution reverb) and also some new improved filters, and the morphgrid is more usable now as you can use descriptions of the sounds instead of just numbers/letters
In the last Logic release Spectral FX were also added to the spectral editor.
The only things that appear to have been removed are plugin based microtuning support (apparently because Logic has this on a host level, but that is not to everyone's liking) and SFZ support was replaced with support for Logic's EXS format (however legacy presets all seem to load fine, you just can't make new patches using SFZ).
Also if you have an iPad the old Alchemy controller doesn't work with it anymore, but the Logic Remote does the same job pretty much (plus lots more).
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2015/08/d ... whats-new/
but it misses out some things, eg there are several new effects (including a convolution reverb) and also some new improved filters, and the morphgrid is more usable now as you can use descriptions of the sounds instead of just numbers/letters
In the last Logic release Spectral FX were also added to the spectral editor.
The only things that appear to have been removed are plugin based microtuning support (apparently because Logic has this on a host level, but that is not to everyone's liking) and SFZ support was replaced with support for Logic's EXS format (however legacy presets all seem to load fine, you just can't make new patches using SFZ).
Also if you have an iPad the old Alchemy controller doesn't work with it anymore, but the Logic Remote does the same job pretty much (plus lots more).
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5175 posts since 29 Apr, 2006
Thank you! Interesting. Would be great if I used logic. So basically with no microtonal support inside the plugin.. It is limited to logics way of doing it.
Logic Pro
- Logic has a global setting for tuning its own instruments. You can import a .scl file.
But they accept only 12-note-octave-repeating scales with max. +/-100 cent deviations from 12tet pitches.
Logic only understands .scl files with this limitation.
Logic is also incapable of changing the tuning via midi or automation
and you can only have one tuning per song.
Logic Pro
- Logic has a global setting for tuning its own instruments. You can import a .scl file.
But they accept only 12-note-octave-repeating scales with max. +/-100 cent deviations from 12tet pitches.
Logic only understands .scl files with this limitation.
Logic is also incapable of changing the tuning via midi or automation
and you can only have one tuning per song.
- KVRAF
- 35300 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Yep that's the problem, tuning is per song, not plugins. Although I think Alchemy only supported scl and tun files anyway, but not keyboard mappings, so its microtuning support was not as advanced as some plugins (eg Pianoteq probably has the best).
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- KVRAF
- 35450 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
A bit offtopic, but, is it known how the ex-Camel Audio employees, now Apple employees, are still involved in the development of Alchemy, or other Logic stuff? I really wonder how the deal proceeded. Did they only buy Camel Audio, and the deal was to implement Alchemy into Logic, and after that is done, the Camel Audio guys can relax in the sun, and live happily ever after , or are they actually employed by Apple now, and continue to develop Alchemy? And why are they so freaking silent now, and have all vanished from KVR, or other sites where they were pretty involved before? Was the deal to keep their mouth shut until the rest of their lives over the details of this deal, or their future work? This seems so weird really. Especially that at least the guy from Camel Audio who posted the most here always claimed to be an anti profit do-gooder, and now that he or his company smelled money, they took a cr** at their ideals (regardless of what you think of those), and joined the industry they so thoroughly condemned, and detested before.
I'm not expecting someone to know the answer to this, after all they're so secretive about the whole deal, that i doubt that anyone actually knows. But i'd also be interested in your opinions on the matter.
I'm not expecting someone to know the answer to this, after all they're so secretive about the whole deal, that i doubt that anyone actually knows. But i'd also be interested in your opinions on the matter.
- KVRAF
- 3192 posts since 31 Dec, 2004 from People's Republic of Minnesota
I really hope camelphat is brought over. No sense wasting it.
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
That Space thing is nice too, I'm sure they will bring newest versions of those to X.masterhiggins wrote:I really hope camelphat is brought over. No sense wasting it.
This entire forum is wading through predictions, opinions, barely formed thoughts, drama, and whining. If you don't enjoy that, why are you here? ShawnG
- KVRist
- 494 posts since 1 Apr, 2012 from bamboo tube
They removed the heart. And the community. That's all.
Tangled roots perplex her ways.
- KVRAF
- 2482 posts since 6 Jul, 2013
It's not "weird", it's *exactly* how Apple purchase smaller companies, sometimes for the IP, but mostly for the development talent.chk071 wrote:A bit offtopic, but, is it known how the ex-Camel Audio employees, now Apple employees, are still involved in the development of Alchemy, or other Logic stuff? I really wonder how the deal proceeded. Did they only buy Camel Audio, and the deal was to implement Alchemy into Logic, and after that is done, the Camel Audio guys can relax in the sun, and live happily ever after , or are they actually employed by Apple now, and continue to develop Alchemy? And why are they so freaking silent now, and have all vanished from KVR, or other sites where they were pretty involved before? Was the deal to keep their mouth shut until the rest of their lives over the details of this deal, or their future work? This seems so weird really.
The fact that the Camel deal went down *exactly* the same way that Apple does these things, and like Redmatica before it, and that the Camel guys are *still* silent, suggests that yes, they, or at least some of them, are now working at Apple, likely on the Logic team or the audio team somewhere.
No one who knows will have any more details than that, or what they are working on - could be they continue to work on Alchemy, could be they are working on other Logic features, or other audio-related stuff (Mainstage, Garageband, iOS apps etc etc).
- KVRAF
- 3192 posts since 31 Dec, 2004 from People's Republic of Minnesota
Queue the somber acoustic guitar music and lighter tribute.anxiousmofo wrote:They removed the heart. And the community. That's all.
- KVRist
- 494 posts since 1 Apr, 2012 from bamboo tube
That doesn't strike me as even remotely within the Camel Audio aesthetic.masterhiggins wrote:Queue the somber acoustic guitar music and lighter tribute.anxiousmofo wrote:They removed the heart. And the community. That's all.
Tangled roots perplex her ways.
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- KVRAF
- 35450 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Cheers, dude. That's exactly the info I was trying to get, and actually expected. Shame, but, I guess that's how it can go.beely wrote:It's not "weird", it's *exactly* how Apple purchase smaller companies, sometimes for the IP, but mostly for the development talent.chk071 wrote:A bit offtopic, but, is it known how the ex-Camel Audio employees, now Apple employees, are still involved in the development of Alchemy, or other Logic stuff? I really wonder how the deal proceeded. Did they only buy Camel Audio, and the deal was to implement Alchemy into Logic, and after that is done, the Camel Audio guys can relax in the sun, and live happily ever after , or are they actually employed by Apple now, and continue to develop Alchemy? And why are they so freaking silent now, and have all vanished from KVR, or other sites where they were pretty involved before? Was the deal to keep their mouth shut until the rest of their lives over the details of this deal, or their future work? This seems so weird really.
The fact that the Camel deal went down *exactly* the same way that Apple does these things, and like Redmatica before it, and that the Camel guys are *still* silent, suggests that yes, they, or at least some of them, are now working at Apple, likely on the Logic team or the audio team somewhere.
No one who knows will have any more details than that, or what they are working on - could be they continue to work on Alchemy, could be they are working on other Logic features, or other audio-related stuff (Mainstage, Garageband, iOS apps etc etc).
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Yup, that could be the very definiton of an OT postchk071 wrote:A bit offtopic, but, is it known how the ex-Camel Audio employees, now Apple employees, are still involved in the development of Alchemy, or other Logic stuff? I really wonder how the deal proceeded. Did they only buy Camel Audio, and the deal was to implement Alchemy into Logic, and after that is done, the Camel Audio guys can relax in the sun, and live happily ever after , or are they actually employed by Apple now, and continue to develop Alchemy? And why are they so freaking silent now, and have all vanished from KVR, or other sites where they were pretty involved before? Was the deal to keep their mouth shut until the rest of their lives over the details of this deal, or their future work? This seems so weird really. Especially that at least the guy from Camel Audio who posted the most here always claimed to be an anti profit do-gooder, and now that he or his company smelled money, they took a cr** at their ideals (regardless of what you think of those), and joined the industry they so thoroughly condemned, and detested before.