Stepped automation? (i.e. bars per grid note)

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Echoes in the Attic
KVRAF
8270 posts since 12 May, 2008

Post Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:51 am

I haven't found a way to do this but maybe I'm missing a key shortcut or something. Is there a way to draw automation as bars/steps that are the width of the chosen grid rather than as nodes and curves? Like the Ableton clip modulation mode that allows the same.

Thanks
Last edited by Echoes in the Attic on Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
System: Windows 10, Dell XPS 2-in-1, Bitwig 3, Steinberg UR44.

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Andrey Marchenko
KVRian
711 posts since 12 Sep, 2013

Re: Quantized automation? (i.e. bars per grid note)

Post Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:03 am

Hm... This?

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shadiradio
KVRist
458 posts since 28 Mar, 2014 from Los Angeles, CA

Re: Quantized automation? (i.e. bars per grid note)

Post Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:32 am

Try holding alt when drawing. That should do what you want according to your current grid settings.

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Andrey Marchenko
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711 posts since 12 Sep, 2013

Re: Quantized automation? (i.e. bars per grid note)

Post Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:46 am

Oh! Yes! Sorry, do not realized..

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KVRAF
8270 posts since 12 May, 2008

Re: Quantized automation? (i.e. bars per grid note)

Post Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:45 am

shadiradio wrote:Try holding alt when drawing. That should do what you want according to your current grid settings.
Thanks, will give it a try. I tend to use a surface pen though and was hoping there was a way to activate that mode of editing and leave it on without having to hold a key down. Not possible? It's especially useful for drum and rhythmic modulation.
System: Windows 10, Dell XPS 2-in-1, Bitwig 3, Steinberg UR44.

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shadiradio
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458 posts since 28 Mar, 2014 from Los Angeles, CA

Re: Quantized automation? (i.e. bars per grid note)

Post Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:54 am

Ah I see - it would definitely be nice if you could toggle it instead of holding down a modifier key.

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KVRAF
8270 posts since 12 May, 2008

Re: Quantized automation? (i.e. bars per grid note)

Post Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:03 pm

I don't see how alt is supposed to be doing what I'm going for. All it does is allow you to bend a line as far as I can see. I am trying to figure out how to draw in modulation as bars that are the width of the grid size. Anyone who has used Ableton Live will know what I'm talking about. I've never seen an image of Bitwig doing this and am surprised if it can't be done.

Described here (19.5.1 Drawing Envelopes):
https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/autom ... envelopes/

Other images here:

http://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/ ... leton-live
https://music.tutsplus.com/articles/how ... audio-6401
System: Windows 10, Dell XPS 2-in-1, Bitwig 3, Steinberg UR44.

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svervs
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412 posts since 16 Mar, 2013 from BLN

Re: Stepped automation? (i.e. bars per grid note)

Post Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:35 pm

You need to use the Pen tool. When holding Alt while drawing with it steps to the current grid.

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shadiradio
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458 posts since 28 Mar, 2014 from Los Angeles, CA

Re: Stepped automation? (i.e. bars per grid note)

Post Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:28 am

Yup, as svervs mentioned - make sure you have the pencil tool activated, then holding alt will draw in steps according to the grid size:

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KVRAF
8270 posts since 12 May, 2008

Re: Stepped automation? (i.e. bars per grid note)

Post Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:39 am

Thanks guys. But I guess this leads me to a new question - where is the pencil tool in the tablet view? I can't find any pencil tool.

And don't you think this mode should be able to be toggled on without holding a key down the whole time? I can understand a modifier key for a quick action, but drawing automation? That's something you tend to do for a while, trying different things, especially rhythmic automation like this. I don't want to hold a key down the whole time. There should be an option to toggle it on so you don't have to hold it down. Also, using it in tablet mode (even if I could find the pencil tool). I don't have access to the alt key without some toolbar add-on.
System: Windows 10, Dell XPS 2-in-1, Bitwig 3, Steinberg UR44.

Echoes in the Attic
KVRAF
8270 posts since 12 May, 2008

Re: Stepped automation? (i.e. bars per grid note)

Post Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:48 am

Also - Does automation snapped to the grid respect the swing setting? Stepped automation like this would really screw up the timing if not.
System: Windows 10, Dell XPS 2-in-1, Bitwig 3, Steinberg UR44.

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