[solved] FR: Multi-Out for MXXX

[Tagirijus]

Hey there,

I am not even sure, if this is technically possible, but I still wanted to ask:

A multi out function for MXXX, so that you can balance / control output TO sends in the mixer.

1. Is such a thign even possible with effect plugins? (In MDrummer for example you can rout different drum pads to different mixer channels / inserts)
2. If so: how about this feature in MXXX?


Background:
I use Imageline Patcher for my radio play productions to move sound around space. I am doing it by having a XY pad, which represents the top of the room so that I can move sound around in a virtual space. Basically it is mostly X = panning and Y = wetness of send to the reverb of the actual mixer insert - but with special curves plus a frequency manipulation due to the air absorbtion of audio. I think it would just be great, if I could do this all inside MXXX.

If too complicated, time consuming or not even possible: nevermind. Just wanted to ask. Me = bad person, posting a new FR here ....


Edit: I forgot about the surround mode of the effect plugins of Melda. Maybe I can achieve it with this? Does the surround mode has disadvantage in CPU consumption?

Edit 2: Nevermind. Just found out that either I am to stupid for this surround mode, or it's not the thing I am looking for: it seperates my stereo into two channels (as it is supposed to do, I guess, hehe). Unfortunately I would like to have multiple stereo outputs instead (well actually one more besides the normal output).

[pone]

Multiple outputs are technically possible. Surround mode simply processes the surround channels using the same melda effect, you have no control over what it does within the same plugin. You can however put the plugins one after the other and have them process specific surround channels (PDC can act a little nutty though).

[vectorwarrior]

Yeah set to surround mode and use channel matrix modules to split signals.

[Tagirijus]

Am I doing something wrong, when even the stereo channel gets split? ... I would like to have a stereo out not 2 outs for left and right ... or is this also possible with the channel mixer? Am I missing something here (again)?

Thanks for your help though!

[MeldaProduction]

Well, simulating multiout using surround is possible, but it will be quite hard to control really. Correct multiout is not going to happen, sorry. Not that it wouldn't be possible, but almost no hosts support it, so it is quite pointless.

[vectorwarrior]

Am I doing something wrong, when even the stereo channel gets split? ... I would like to have a stereo out not 2 outs for left and right ... or is this also possible with the channel mixer? Am I missing something here (again)?

I'm not sure what you mean by that but that absolutely doesn't have to be the case. The matrix allows you to redirect any channel to any other channel... here's how to send what is on 1/2 to 1/2 and mute everything else when working in 5.1 surround mode:

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And here's how to send 1/2 to 3/4

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I'm using Reaper so can't speak for other DAW's but it works perfectly. I often make quad assets, which require me to convert 1-6 channels down to 1-4 channels ditching the middle channels (3-4). I then work extensively with these channels and spit out the final files, it works great. I've also made a bunch of super handy surround presets in MXXX, such as a quad panner with level meters, a surround rotator, interesting surround modulation effects, etc. You just need to get your head around how the matrix works (inputs come from the left and outputs go out the bottom). Once you understand that you can do pretty much whatever you want!

Hopefully that helps :S

[Tagirijus]

Hey Vojtech, hey vectorwarrior,

first of all: thanks for your replies.

@Vojtech: Is multiout for effect plugins that much different than multiout for instruments? I mean: MDrummer also supports multiout. Just curious - I do not want to change your mind about not adding multiout, hehe.

@vectorwarrior: I am using FL Studio. With this I can route the whole channels (in surround mode) to a certain mixer insert, but I just managed to route one channel to one mixer insert (or even two to the same, but than the two are mixed and it is not stereo anymore. Is this normal? It also can be that I am doing something wrong. This routing thing is nothing I do all the day, hehe.

[MeldaProduction]

Multiout effects and instruments are actually pretty much the same thing, the difference is that while multiout instruments are supported by pretty much every host (I hope ), multiout effects are the opposite, only the "at least partially modular" can do that.

[Tagirijus]

Ah I see. Thanks for the reply. I'll go on and test my luck with the surround mode then.

[DarkStar]

Would an instrument implementation of MXXX be possible? Would that lead to any disadvantages?

[MeldaProduction]

Well, it would be an instrument , so no effect anymore, so pretty pointless imho.

[Batty]

Not completely pointless, if you think of using the Mxxx intern synthesizer...which btw I didn't get to run at all in Studio One 3. I can't trigger the keys in the Mxxx synth because it's no instrument and can only be placed as an effect.
Just saying...I have enough alternative synths.

[magmagwa]

This is how I got it to work on Reaper 6.20. There are 6 intputs therefore 6 outputs, each output has 6 channels, only the first 2 of which are active and represent the stereo output of each of the 6 outs in MXXX. It shows up in Reaper as "4>12" or "4x12", I don't know what that means exactly, I can't map it. It works but the mapping appears incorrect or suboptimal.

[magmagwa]

Here's a more complete example:

[Tagirijus]

Well thanks for the reply to this 5 years old thread. I am on Reaper now anyway. There the routing is much easier and the surround mode is the thing I am using for my initial purpose I started this thread back then, hehe.