New "Two-Knob Depth-Designer" active preset for MXXX

[Alphacodex]

The idea was: put all those little moves I do when I'm mixing for depth into one convenient MXXX actice preset with only two simple controls:

- ambience size
- depth
(I also added a panpot but it does nothing apart from simple panning)

A whole weekend later here is the result - you can find it in the ONLINE EXCHANGE, within MXXX under
"Dorfmatze - Two-Knob Depth-Designer".

So with ambience size you basically set the room size, with depth you set where you want to position the signal in the depth-field. It uses several modules to achieve the result, however you can enable / disable every module in the active preset (many will probably disable the reverb module and use a better reverb). I might also build the new MTurboReverb into it when it comes out.

It is by no means any sort of physical simulation, I did it only "by ears" and set the parameters to what sounded convincing to me.

I'd be interested what you guys think and if you like it. Please note that the parameters are optimized for an input volume of -18dbVU (the material I optimized it on had about -10dBFS and around -8db RMS). I always do a -18dBVU per channel gain staging before I start mixing.


Cheers,
Dorfmatze
(aka Codex aka Phalke)

P.S.
There still is a small bug: When you open the preset the first time there will already be some reverb (which shouldn't be there, the preset is supposed to be clean at 50%), so if anyone is a MXXX maniac and has a suggestion, I'd be happy to fix it. (Other improvement ideas are also welcome).

[dmbaer]

A whole weekend later here is the result - you can find it in the ONLINE EXCHANGE, within MXXX under
"Dorfmatze - Two-Knob Depth-Designer".

Not to criticize, but why don't you copy and paste the preset as code to the forum here so folks can pick this up directly? This is what others do from time to time.

[Scotty]

I have submitted to the online exchange 12 presets in the past (they appear and show up as "Scott's Presets" I don't see your creative space showing up. I am wondering if every time I want to refresh the exchange do I have to share another preset?

[MeldaProduction]

Scotty: Most users are lazy and want other to create presets . Before it wasn't like that, and nobody was creating anything...

Codex: Works nicely, but the modules seem to enable the modules, but they actually disable them and the XY pad only seem to work in upper half .

[Alphacodex]

Hi again,

@scotty and dmbaer
When I'm back in the studio I'll get the preset code and put it into this thread.

@Vojtech
Thank you!
About the modules: Ok, I was unsure whether black means on or off, I decided black looks more like off than green. But if it is supposed to be the other way round I'll change that.

About the upper and the lower half of the XY-Pad: The middle (50% depth) is supposed to do nothing to your sound, the upper half is supposed to bring the sound further away, the lower half is supposed to bring the sound even more upfront than it already is. Now given that the sound is a dry signal, there is not a lot you can do to bring it even more upfront.
What I do in the moment is:
- increase the transient attacks
- narrow the stereo width

The effect is of course a lot more subtle than the other way round, nevertheless I wanted to have it in. Maybe I can make up more ideas to bring the sound even more upfront in future updates of the preset. Maybe I can achieve an better upfront effect with some subtle ambience effects. Maybe I'll also skip the whole "bring the sound more upfront" idea and just optimize for the depth...

By the way: Is it possible to switch modules completely off so they dont use any processing time anymore?

[Alphacodex]

So here is the preset code for everyone that has no access to my Online Exchange Plugins:

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Update: Fixed all known bugs and added a threshold control to adjust to your input volume (although I still recommend using -18dbVU).

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[MeldaProduction]

Works much better!
Btw. to bring stuff even closer you can actually expand the stereo - try MStereoSpread and you'll see what I mean.

[Alphacodex]

Ah... thank you. I will play around with it and see whether I can get it to feel closer...

[jmg8]

I noticed when I looked at your preset that the signal went more stereo as it got further away. It should be the other way around.

[Alphacodex]

Ok... I'll check that, maybe I inverted the paramter by accindent. Thank you for reporting back!

Cheers,
Codex

[MeldaProduction]

I noticed when I looked at your preset that the signal went more stereo as it got further away. It should be the other way around.

Correct!
Check the MStereoSpread documentation, in the beginning I wrote quite some article about psychoacoustics, maybe it could help you.

[Alphacodex]

Another update:

- Fixed: Stereo Spread inverted
- Added: Lower Half of the XY-Pad will widen Stereo and thus make the signal even "nearer", exchanged MStereoProcessor for MStereoSpread for that reason
- Tweaked some Transformation Shapes to better work together
- Tweaked preDelay to be used in the Depth rather than in the size multiparamenter (would like to have it in both, but as there are no relative range modes, it is hard to change the same parameter from two different multiparameters - they overwrite each other...)

[steve2KVR]

...please post the "code"...in watching the "development" I learned/discovered quite a bit...thanx.../s~

[werzel]

So...if we were to move onto the soundstage, as we approach each instrument it would take up more of "it's" spectrum, volume and the stereo field. Would it filter more quickly as we pass it; as opposed to backing away?