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magicmusic · Post by **magicmusic** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:20 pm

I use for IR impulse tail white noise. as far i see in mturbo is not possible in tail reverb to use a impulse. so is it possible to add in formular white noise ?.

Tagirijus · Post by **Tagirijus** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:08 pm

There is no impulse response module for the algorithm section of MTurboReverb ... if this is what you are asking for.

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:28 pm

I think it may be asking if there is a way to use white noise in the algorithm?

magicmusic · Post by **magicmusic** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:30 pm

yes, i mean that i can add a formular and it create white noise and all settings as widening work too. my reverb with white noise impulse work good it do of course no widening after some time. base drums and snare reverb sound very good with white noise and 9 khz lpf. if use lots of reverb sound as snares. and base drum too sound good. for a quick try, that it is usefull you can download on audiocheck.net

http://www.audiocheck.net/testtones_whitenoise.php

you need create a volume curve and a lpf curve as you like. mconvolution can do it

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:39 pm

That would make it a convolution reverb, not an algorithmic one

. Plus then there wouldn't be much reason to use MTurboReverb for that. In MConvolutionMB you can shape the length, decay etc...

magicmusic · Post by **magicmusic** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:01 am

In mconvolution can not set a stereo wide parameter that make it over time wider. mconvolution have curve support. maybe easest to program is to use a stereo wide curve. BTW: I think best fullest tail algorithm reverb is use white noise. it sound most realistic and good. maybe you can try out with the testtone.

mturbo have the best early reflections i think. when do decay to -30 widening -40 it sound very good with base drums and make them fuller as can hear in a real room.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:01 pm

Yes, but then it's just not algorithmic anymore. I personally don't think white noise is ultimate or something, but it definitely has some qualities, not necessarily realistic. In act the Reverb tab in MConvolutionMB, which generates the IRs, uses white noise generators quite extensively.
If you need a combination of the convolution and MTurboReverb, then I'm afraid MXXX would be the only answer.

magicmusic · Post by **magicmusic** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:09 am

But if need mconvolution and mturbo then mturbo is not the ultimate reverb

. I get the idea to load impulses in early reflection slot. there is 1000 ms possible. i use mostly no reverb larger as 1.5 sec, so limit to 1 sec is not a big problem. but when i move the slider to 1000ms it sound not as the impulse. in mturbo it have lots echo, so very few dense: I set complexity to 64 . I change import options threshhold -60 db, surroundings 200, ignore beginning 0, random taps level -60 db, and last value 100% i too not get the correct tail reverb from a impulse. or what settings you suggest that the impulse can load in best ?

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:51 am

Can there be a noise generator as a module in the algorithm section.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:37 pm

magicmusic: Hehe, but it is the ultimate algorithmic reverb

. Anyways ER won't sound like convolution of course - think about it, 1 second convolution means say 48000 taps, in ER you have 64, so...

jmg8: Well, could add a convolution module to the algorithms, but to be honest, I'm quite afraid of it since things can quickly get out of hands this way... Just the shape will be a problem. But I suppose we can make a simple one with decaying white noise with single curvature point.

magicmusic · Post by **magicmusic** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:01 pm

ah i understand complexity mean that there are max 64 taps. for 64 taps load this white noise in, it sound really dense and good, when length is set to not more as 200 ms and decay to more - than -15. deform slider move bring good intresting new sounds that sound as speaker cabinet and are not metalic or sound odd witgh some small frequency peaks as with algorithms.

CPU load on my old 4*2.8 GHZ i5 760 without AVX CPU is only between 0.5-0.6%

so maybe the maximum taps can increase to (64*6)=384 and length to (200*6)=1.5(edit 1.2 of course) sec max and it sound excellent. CPU load is then only around 3.6% estimate. so seem possible.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:22 pm

Sorry, but increasing the number of taps for ERs is absolutely out of question. But the good news is that I managed to create ConvoNoise processor for the algorithms, so you will be able to use convolution with noise directly

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Tagirijus · Post by **Tagirijus** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:01 pm

Omg ... Vojtech is so crazy, haha!

magicmusic · Post by **magicmusic** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:14 pm

thats great, when convo noise can work. hope new version come soon. BTW: I notice when use the compressor to reduce attack transient before later reverb let sound percussive instrument as drums smooth and as real reverb. maybe a transient reducer module for algorithm later reverb is usefull too, to can add in front. when there are not so sharp attack transients this is later on reverb not hear as single clicks.

is there a list of algorithms currently out that sound good ?

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:41 pm

Beta should be out tomorrow. Transients? I don't think so, that seems a bit far too much. And you can always set it up before the plugin and then use it as send

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Algortithms that sound good?

Obviously that depends on every person. But there are many, so just try

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can in mturbo reverb in tail reverb white noise can use. ? sound good as IR