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SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:03 am

Hi,

I'm demoing the MUnison (while it's at half price) and thought that it would create harmonies for normal pop song styles, which has been suggested to me by others. At the moment I'm working on a piano ballad, and would like to have a backup vocals choir on the chorus etc (very traditional). However, though there are A LOT of FX in this plug, I can't figure out how to get a good, somewhat realistic chorus.

Am I using the wrong plug? I have also tried the MHarmonizer very briefly, and perhaps that would be a better choice? At the moment, I haven't figured out where to insert the MIDI in yet, but I assume that I can feed the plug with MIDI from a track in my host (MuLab).

I'd be very happy for comments on these questions, and even more for some suggestions for how to actually achieve what I want. I'm sure it can be done with Melda's powerful plugins, but am a bit overwhelmed by the options.

(Perhaps a light version of whatever plugin could be a good thing, to make it more of a one trick pony for us who just "want it to work" with vocal harmonies?)

Thanks!

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:38 am

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 8&t=490905

As if by magic!

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:41 am

jmg8 wrote:http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 8&t=490905

As if by magic!

My God!

I read through several pages on the forum, and then this was added... What are the chances!?

Chandlerhimself · Post by **Chandlerhimself** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:01 am

SparkySpark wrote: My God!

I read through several pages on the forum, and then this was added... What are the chances!?

Pretty good I'd say. I was too tired to post it here last night. I've wanted to do this vid for a while, but I just never got around to it. MUnison is an underrated plugin IMO. I hope it helped.

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:41 pm

Thanks Chandler, it's really a great video, very helpful. I wish I had one of these plugs many years ago when I was writing many songs for choir!

I was also thinking on how to work with harmonies on a pop song (as said above). Like described on this web page:

"You hear this device all the time on the radio. Whenever you hear ultra tight vocal harmonies that sound "too perfect" you are listening to a harmonizer at work."
...
"Once you set the key, the harmonizer will then figure out what note you are singing, or playing and create harmonies that are consonant with the key. So If I punch in the key of A minor and sing an "A", it it could produce harmonies at C and E."
...
"The main effect, naturally, is the harmonies. The typical use is to record your chorus tracks through the harmonizer and lay this track under the main vocal." (http://tweakheadz.com/harmonizers-and-more/) The web page also mentions hardware such as the (really old) Digitech Vocalist.

Would that be MHarmonizer instead? And if so, will that result in harmonized solo voices? If so, then what I think one would really want is a combination of both plugs, so that the harmonized voices can become choirs (as in your movie). Or am I mistaken?

I must say that I'm a bit confused here, especially as I was pointed to MUnison, not MHarmonizer here at KVR (in another forum though).

If anyone can clear this up for me and give med a recommended way to do what's described in the quotes, then I'd be very grateful. Also, I'm still trying to understand how to feed the MHarmonizer with MIDI, as I guess that a harmonizer would work better with MIDI than just by adding harmonics according to the note sung.

/Sp-Sp

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:50 pm

I'm thinking that what I am really looking for is a stripped down combo of the two plugs, an MBackupVocals, but perhaps I just don't understand the two units well enough.

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:50 pm

Just to clarify, in Easy mode such a unit could have perhaps just two important sections: the number of voices plus the number of singers per voice, and the amount of chorus, ranging from clean radio stuff as above to Enya. Also, there should be an option of either using auto harmonics or MIDI input.

I bet Melda could cook this up and package it in a swift and excellent way.

Meanwhile: how would I achieve this today?

Thanks again and sorry for the rambling.

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:22 pm

Just got the MIDI thing, thanks to YouTube:)

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:58 pm

I'm a bit confused - isn't number of voices and number of singers the same thing?

Anyways MHarmonizerMB is several years old and it serves for making copies of the track at different pitches. MUnison is focused on making detuned voices to make a doubler/choir, and the smart harmonizer is just a cherry on top

.

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:39 pm

Ah thanks, and thank you so much for your incredible plugins!

I should really have written "parts" instead, to avoid confusion. So what I mean is the soprano part or the alto part or so. For each part there can be a number of singers. BTW, in Swedish we have a couple of "stämmor" and a number of "sångare". I believe it is the same thing in German.

So what I was thinking was that you could have a harmonizer and then set a number of singers per part, using a subset of MUnison. That would be a first, I think.

even better would be if they could be sent to different tracks. This can be done in Vielklang, but only in the full version.

The process per voice is also described here: https://www.kvraudio.com/product/choirs ... ndspectral

I'm thinking that you already have all these things in place so perhaps it's not a very big effort to put them all in one module.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:25 pm

First, thank you!

Now, I'm a bit lost still - seems like you can simply put MUnison on each of the tracks (or parts, or however you want to call them) and that's all, isn't it?

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:53 pm

Hi, exactly. So what I had in mind is a harmonizer (a la Vielklang) that would have a stripped version of MUnison for each output.

To my knowledge, no-one is selling an entire chorus in just one dedicated plugin, so this is mostly a question of packaging.

As I said, in my mind the harmonizer and the MUnison parts should both be stripped of features so that the plugin would be easier to use for just creating natural sounding choir ensembles. With a great UI and sound quality this could be a killer app for all vocal productions.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:11 am

Hmmm, so you simply want MUnison with simpler GUI???

Chandlerhimself · Post by **Chandlerhimself** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:23 am

I think you can do what you want with Mharmonizer and MUnison together. I just tested it and it worked fairly well. Give this a try and see if it works for you.

1). Sing whatever you want.
2). Put MHarmonizerMB on the vocal track.
3). Route a midi track with the harmony you want into MHarmonizerMB. You should now have your vocal harmonies.
4). Add MUnison to the end of the vocal track and adjust the settings.

It should now sound like a choir singing in harmony. I'll try to make a video of this in a week or 2. I'll test it again to make sure it sounds ok, but in my first test it sounded pretty good. A little robotic like a vocoder, but blended with a real vocal its not bad at all. Besides most songs now sound like the singer is a robot anyway.

Of course it would be nice to have Multi outs from MHarmonizerMB, but that seems like a lot of work for a small difference in sound.

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:53 pm

Hi Chandler,

Yes, that's exactly what I'm having in mind. To me, it's mostly a matter of packaging. If I have time tomorrow, I'll try to make a mockup of how I am imagining this.

Really looking forward to your movie!

Petter

MeldaProduction

KVR Audio

Nice backup vocals settings?