KVR Audio

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:02 pm

...so far, maybe i use those with wrong intends and tests :/, as you know maybe i buy too much and have always GAS! also zynaptiq is always on my TEST out and the only plugin i bought so far is adaptiverb and not used much yet but it was the only one worth so far for me as it is really unique and could help glue!

1-Morph 2:
just tried it out with various sources. i always switch off the reverb as i got other plugins for this. the morphing sounded not special for me? i mean A gives you sound a and B sound b but morphing is like an xy pad simple morph with the capbilities to change the formants. but the forants are also a hit and miss, i would have been impressed if there would be a timestretch function or something and then you can morph + timestretch etc. i tried a guitarloop and morphed it with a glassydrone, sounded for me like i could use a blending vst between 2 sources with additional formant option, not special :/

do you have any tipps what samples maybe to use or test out? i think i dont get morph 2 just yet.

2-Pitchmap:
impressive! indeed, still too artificial for me, i could take a black metal track and make it sound happy but nah, even with different settings it sounds too fake. taking a lady gaga song and playing with midi keyboard the notes/harmonics - wow, nice, but when would i use it? i guess never....

3-Unmix:
i tried some loops, some self produced mixes and rap tracks.
while some BAD mixes from me could be a bit beefed up with it i noticed that it pumps the track then when beefing up the drums and it sounds too fake when listening close. on known radio tracks it was not really useful too cause if you wanna take out drums the rest sounds bad and even to remix your own drums into it the rest sounds then altered and not original anymore....
for parallel processing it seems to be nice, but for transients i can use a transient shaper and it works nice too without cpu consuming processing.

i was impressed by products like sonible frei:raum which are really wow, a hit and miss too but not so niche and destroying the sound and more usable.

for me im not still sure if i just didnt use em right, cause i read so much good stuff, many youtube demos are not impressive either! so i didnt find great examples yet where especially morph 2 and unmix wow'ed me :/

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:15 pm

I'm not trying to wow you, but here are some playlists with live-on-video experiments I made with Morph 2 and PitchMap, I use both frequently for creating soundscape samples and drones.

Morph2

PitchMap

cron · Post by **cron** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:30 pm

Caine123 wrote:do you have any tipps what samples maybe to use or test out? i think i dont get morph 2 just yet.

I think they key thing here is that morphing from A to B will never sound impressive in a real time plug-in, other than on carefully matched sound materials. They're more like high resolution spectral vocoders than anything else. The 'in-between' space on these plugins (50% A, 50% B) is still very interesting though, and that's where the magic lies for me. I personally much prefer Melda's morphing effort as it gives you a ton of control over the nature and sound of the in-between space.

So yeah, I'd say to go in with those expectations. Think of it more as a spectral vocoder than a morphing tool. A convincing morph from A to B is usually off the cards, but the in-between space can be very interesting to explore.

Neon Breath · Post by **Neon Breath** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:39 pm

cron did give some very nice tips. Morph 2 is unique tool, no doubt but it requires time, lot of experimentation and trials & errors too. It's not an instant gratification plugin. When finding the right 2 sources, you really can get unique tones and melted sounds impossible to achieve otherwise, not even with a vocoder. Also, I think it tends to sound better when used with something at the end of its chain, either a reverb or a rich phaser or even another spectral tool to soften it a bit and make it sounds mellow. Explore!

Pitchmap, can't comment I never used it.

Warped Effect · Post by **Warped Effect** » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:34 am

Caine123 Have you tried Morphing your voice with a song ?, just Morph your voice with any song.

it's my favorite effect, because it sounds hilarious, because anything you say sounds like you're talking as a song.

Listen to this MP3, it's my voice Morphed with Aladdin - A Whole New World song, it's an example of what's possible.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/y7g122udt ... effect.mp3

As for Pitchmap, I personally prefer zplane reTune over it, both of them are Polyphonic Autotune, but i prefer zplane reTune Polyphonic Autotune quality, zplane reTune quality sounds better and it's easier to create custom music scales with it.

Kinh · Post by **Kinh** » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:36 pm

Morph2 works best with plucks and leads.

You do it with leads when you wanna get interesting timbres for a drop which was done a lot last year in pop tunes. You take a vocal cut loop, play its melody with a synth that has a fairly brittle tone and morph them like..
1:00

It also works with violas or cellos

I think the mistake people make with Morph is they use two sound sources that are doing different things like have a drum loop with a pad which sounds terrible and quite frankly it's pretty eff'n lazy.

Ah_Dziz · Post by **Ah_Dziz** » Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:51 pm

Morph can do amazing things with vocals. Having a few different people sing the same phrase and then morph between them can get some great sounds. Even using one take and processing it in many different ways and then morphing between the different processed versions is fun. Generally speaking you want the sounds you're morphing to have at least one major thing in common or you end up with something that sounds like a confused vocoder. Morphing between an acoustic piano and a fm electric piano drenched in effects with bothe playing the same thing is fun. Or morphing from a clean sub bass (sine/tri) to a super distorted and modulated lead bass is fun too. Morphing a big roomy drum kit that's compressed to death to a dinky 606 kit is great fun. All these examples involve morphing sounds that are already doing something similar but have a drastically different timbre. That's where zynaptiq morph does it's best in my opinion.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:18 pm

well pitchmap is out for me definitely, it's just too specific for me, sadly, i love experimental plugins

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Morph 2 still is nice but i am not impressed and for the price not convinced, as i said a stretchfunction or just more parameters would be more interesting maybe! i stick more to granular stuff which immediately give me better results while morphing with other vsts.

UNMIX, still interested but no great results so far. im still thinking where i would use it and if it would somehow enhance some mixes, eg. i try to remaster some old songs and try to beef up the drums and layer em. well i will try it a bit more.

again thanks a lot for all the tips!!!

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:00 pm

Morph - I looked at it when it came out. Decided it was too expensive for what it does (for me). then melda copied it and it went on 50% off. it sounded similar to Morph so I got it. havent used it much. its on my to-do list on plugins i need to explore more.

Pitchmap - I have it. its very cool in an experimental way. I like to use it with drum tracks to create weird rhythmic sounds.

UNMIX - Tried the demo. Works well enough but I didnt find it useful to me. I tried other things with it like arpeggiated sounds etc. I also worried about artifacts. pass.

Neon Breath · Post by **Neon Breath** » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:07 pm

Caine123 wrote:
Morph 2 still is nice but i am not impressed and for the price not convinced, as i said a stretchfunction or just more parameters would be more interesting maybe!

What stops you to insert yourself a stretch plugin before passing it into Morph? Or even after in your fx chain?

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:10 pm

Neon Breath wrote:
Caine123 wrote:
Morph 2 still is nice but i am not impressed and for the price not convinced, as i said a stretchfunction or just more parameters would be more interesting maybe!
What stops you to insert yourself a stretch plugin before passing it into Morph? Or even after in your fx chain?

good point, at this price i just expect a plugin where the workflow is my taste

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yellowmix · Post by **yellowmix** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:18 am

You can use Pitchmap to creatively pitch non-melodic content. Try it on drum loops. Shift where the kick and toms hit. Repitch the snare a bit, or mix it in to brighten it.

Pitchmap is especially great when you have stems or melodic loops. Put them into entirely different keys to fit your song. It's also very useful if you want a beat with a melody over it. If you can't get rid of the melody you may as well put it into the right key. But of course you could try to extract the drums with Unmix Drums. If you don't sample, remix, or mashup, then Pitchmap and Unmix Drums might not be as useful (they're in the "Remix" bundle for a reason).

But Morph is useful for anyone looking for creative and new sounds.

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:30 pm

+1 for Melda MMorph. Superb plugin.

If you like experimental on a budget, be sure to check out Paulstretch.

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:20 pm

Here's something I did with Pitchmap. First is the original track and the second is the original processed through Pitchmap. Pitchmap basically create a new song out of the original! The fidelity is pretty good too.

https://soundcloud.com/musicofplexus/spirit

https://soundcloud.com/musicofplexus/pisrit

Fleer · Post by **Fleer** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:21 am

Magic

Zynaptiq Morph 2, Pitchmap & Unmix - not impressed...