KVR Audio

danyo2008 · Post by **danyo2008** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:17 pm

Hi all,

at the Moment I produce my Music with FL Studio. It is really a great Program, but if the Project become bigger, it is confusing with all the automation stuff and effects, it is difficult to keep track of all that stuff.

Now, I have played a lite bit around with Reaper. The work flow is really great, a little bit like in Ableton. But the price of that piece of software is really interesting.

What I want to know is, how is the quality of the build in Plug-ins, effects, and so on. Is it comparable to FL Studio? Or perhaps better?

The look a d feel in FL Studio is much better, In my opinion. But Appearance is not everything.

For me, the workflow and the quality is on the first place. Anyone here who uses Reaper? Should I give Reaper a try, so, shall I investigate time to learn Reaper, or should I go with FL Studio? Or save my money for another DAW?

This thread should no be a "which daw is better"-Thread. Primary, I am interested in the quality of the reaper build in plug-ins. So, what do you say?

Thanks for your answers

Regards
Danyo

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:15 pm

danyo2008 wrote:Hi all,

at the Moment I produce my Music with FL Studio. It is really a great Program, but if the Project become bigger, it is confusing with all the automation stuff and effects, it is difficult to keep track of all that stuff.

Now, I have played a lite bit around with Reaper. The work flow is really great, a little bit like in Ableton. But the price of that piece of software is really interesting.

What I want to know is, how is the quality of the build in Plug-ins, effects, and so on. Is it comparable to FL Studio? Or perhaps better?

The look a d feel in FL Studio is much better, In my opinion. But Appearance is not everything.

For me, the workflow and the quality is on the first place. Anyone here who uses Reaper? Should I give Reaper a try, so, shall I investigate time to learn Reaper, or should I go with FL Studio? Or save my money for another DAW?

This thread should no be a "which daw is better"-Thread. Primary, I am interested in the quality of the reaper build in plug-ins. So, what do you say?

Thanks for your answers

Regards
Danyo

I am in the same boat...
I personally like everything included in FL Studio much much better, than Reapers stuff, which is mostly very basic...

Nevertheless FL Studio is FL Studio and will not change in the next years...
There will be a few workarounds, but for me, working on more complex is a mess in FLS and I fear will ever be...
That said, Reaper is (for me) the better DAW, even if it is ugly as hell and it´s tons of features are not integrated very user friendly...
Plus, the most included stuff of FLS which you like and use most, you have to replace with VST´s, which is sometimes not easy... i.e. FLS´s intergration of it´s Sampler channel will be nearly impossible to replace...

You have to choose for yourself:

Does huge worklow improvements in terms or arranging and working with more complex projects justifies for you the lack of proper instruments/fx respectfully it´s integration into the DAW...

Reaper is definetely more streamlined, more efficient, more organized, more flexible and more customizeable than FLS...

FLS on the other hand has more appeal in terms of creativity, integrated tools (like it´s PR + modules or plugins like slicex, Vocodex, Sampler etc...) but it drives you crazy if you have to deal with 50+ tracks, extensive layering/bussing etc...

For me, it´s a really tough decision but atm Reaper wins more and more...
FL Studio it just to restricted in it´s own and originally dev´s boundaries... GOL should have thought more about the future

Boone777 · Post by **Boone777** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:55 pm

Don't let the ugliness of the built in plugins put you off in Reaper a bunch of them are good stuff. Also a lot of freebies and cheap plugins can fill the voids.

Apratim · Post by **Apratim** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:29 pm

Reaper is like a barebone pc with only nobody and some other stuff you can make it what you wand and how you want thus it is cheap

Fl is like a completely pre build pc
A complet setup but you are set up with a high cost and fixed instruments until you buy some more of your own

danyo2008 · Post by **danyo2008** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:31 pm

Boone777 wrote:Don't let the ugliness of the built in plugins put you off in Reaper a bunch of them are good stuff. Also a lot of freebies and cheap plugins can fill the voids.

Yes, you are absolutely right. The only plug-ins i will miss are Fruity Slicer, Vocodex, Newtone. For the other plug-ins like EQ, reeverb, delay, there good alternatives, but nevertheless these are good plug-ins and do their work very good.

There is the possibility to use FL Studio as a plug in within reaper. Any experiences with that?

danyo2008 · Post by **danyo2008** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:36 pm

Apratim wrote:Reaper is like a barebone pc with only nobody and some other stuff you can make it what you wand and how you want thus it is cheap

Fl is like a completely pre build pc
A complet setup but you are set up with a high cost and fixed instruments until you buy some more of your own

Nice comparison

Because I have FL Studio already, I will not completely dispense with FL.

So could have the best of both worlds....

Distorted Horizon · Post by **Distorted Horizon** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:43 pm

Strength in Reaper is, that it's as deep as you want it to be. You can map practically anything to anywhere, if you think "hmmm X kind of feature would be nice.." You probably find it already built in Reaper. If it's not, ask it from Reaper forums and someone will toss you a script.

Scales. ReaScales to be precise. Ultimate version, download it.

You can modify mouse to work the same way that it works in FLS.

Working with samples in Reaper is IMO much better than it is in FLS.

Downside on the other hand is that even though there are great built in stuff, they're butt ugly. No skin I mean.
And even though there are some fun tools to make noise, you still (IMO again) need some third party synths.

Making Reaper your own might take a while but it's rewarding as hell after you've customized the key commands and build songs so fast that you don't even notice.

And if you still love your FLS, you can run it as vst as you may know

Distorted Horizon · Post by **Distorted Horizon** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:44 pm

danyo2008 wrote:There is the possibility to use FL Studio as a plug in within reaper. Any experiences with that?

Works nicely.

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:52 pm

Reapers effects are pretty basic, functional but really really old and thus pretty ugly...it's not one of Reapers strong points and why people choose to use it I think.

The choice of of daw is really going to come down to how you, yourself is going to work and if you can work in the traditional way although some daws are so versatile that they can allow you to work in the way you want.

Studio One 3.5 Pro is an effective solution for many types of music and with a suite of tools and effects that lay the foundations from the outset to build on. It accommodates different workflow approaches whether you are a live performer or a dance music programmer use to loop based workflow, whilst providing around 30 gigs of additional sound content is a bonus.

It's one of easiest of the advanced daws to get into and learn. It's GUI whilst functional, is pretty flat and sterile and if you want to change that, you need to look at free third party applications to make the GUI better aesthetically and easier on the eye with gradients and colors of your choosing that you don't have available.

If Bandlab can fix the glaring bugs in the free Cakewalk within the next few months, I would without question recommend that daw as a great alternative to what is already out there. The GUI is incredibly flexible and accessible and what it provides out the box for free is really fantastic, and real competitor to even commercial offerings like Cubase, if Hi-DPI isn't a concern. It's feature packed with advanced features, that slap other daws in the face with, in not having. The matrix triggering system is very much like FL Studio or Abelton approach, Notation View, Surround Sound Mixing, the list is pretty long...

Propellerheads Reason 10, and the recent Reason Intro ( a stripped down version ) may suite you on a budget each with VST2 compatibility. Versatile in what rabbit hole you want to go down, but with a birds nest of legacy and scaling issues regarding it's GUI even at 1080P resolution, and generally slower workflow.

Reaper is like going out on a rowing boat in the unknown sea's with bare bones support, and a development ethos that, if you don't like it... then tough.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:41 pm

Get into Cakewalk, it's free and feature packed, amazing DAW that once was very expensive and it will just get better from now on, get on the boat with us.

https://cakewalk.bandlab.com/

Cakewalk is new Reaper.

danyo2008 · Post by **danyo2008** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:44 pm

Zexila wrote:Get into Cakewalk, it's free and feature packed, amazing DAW that once was very expensive and it will just get better from now on, get on the boat with us.
https://cakewalk.bandlab.com/

Yes, i have already checked Cakewalk. Looks also good. But i am not sure, because the Software is now free, if it will get updates and will be better in future. The Company will not make money with this piece of software anymore, so why supporting it in the future? Maybe that i am wrong with my opinion here?!

Regards
Danyo

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:51 pm

They have probably other long term business plans, it speaks volume about company that have luxury to give this piece of software away and rely on other things for income.

But here's from horses mouth
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Cakewalk-By-B ... 43935.aspx

BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:08 pm

Zexila wrote:They have probably other long term business plans, it speaks volume about company that have luxury to give this piece of software away and rely on other things for income.

Maybe they'll integrate "personality tests" like Facebook in the next update.

- Which VST are you
- What type of hardware are you
- Which DAW color are you
- Find out which pet matches your EQ
- You won't believe question number 5 in this test!

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:09 pm

BMoore wrote:
Zexila wrote:They have probably other long term business plans, it speaks volume about company that have luxury to give this piece of software away and rely on other things for income.
Maybe they'll integrate "personality tests" like Facebook in the next update.

- Which VST are you
- What type of hardware are you
- Which DAW color are you
- Find out which pet matches your EQ
- You won't believe question number 5 in this test!

Hahaaha, this is the next KVR stuff for sure.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:34 pm

Zexila wrote:Get into Cakewalk, it's free and feature packed, amazing DAW that once was very expensive and it will just get better from now on, get on the boat with us.
https://cakewalk.bandlab.com/

Cakewalk is new Reaper.

in the sonar vs s1 thread I chided someone for bringing reaper into the thread in a similar way. A lot of people complain about such derailments, please keep with the topic, it is a two way street.

Cockos Reaper