MPowerSynth - Global Trigger modes versus mod. env. modes

[Mr D]

Hi Mr Melda,

Is there any particular reason why the global trigger modes are more fully featured then the mod. envelope trigger modes?

The way it is now, some trigger modes that are possible in global, aren't possible in the mod. envelope.

For example, it's not possible to make it toggle in the same way as in global.

You can do it (make it toggle) by setting "action off" to "start, but the problem is it'll also start when you release the last held note, which isn't really what you'd ever want to happen.

Is there some technical reason why you don't just have the same trigger modes in global and mod. env?

Thanks! ..........D

[MeldaProduction]

Well, these 2 work completely different way, plus no idea how to understand what you are asking. Perhaps some kind of use case I can try? It would probably be impossible to change anyways, but if I'd understand you, I could at least check.

Edit: Also note that modulators are global, but notes are per voice! That's a brutal difference.

[Mr D]

I see!

Well, the use case is this:

As the mod. env. is now you can have the envelope legato toggle.......so, trigger when a note is released but there is still some other note being held.

BUT, when you release that last held note, the envelope will also trigger. Which doesn't seem to me to me useful, musically speaking.

It would be fixed by adding a new action "off" that would be:

"Start only if there is still some other note held. If not, don't start"
But of course it would need a funkier, catchier title then that!

[MeldaProduction]

I must say, I just don't see a correlation between what you wrote now and what you wrote in the first post. There's just nothing nothing related to the MPS modulation, or something, or I just don't understand. Why don't you just use the modulators to follow only note start?

[Mr D]

Haha, communication breakdown!

Ok, i'll try to explain it another way:

In MPowerSynth, there's a certain triggering mode called toggle. In this mode, if you play C (and keep it held down), play D, then release D, C will trigger again. But if you now release C, it won't trigger again. Musically, this makes sense to me.

But in the modulation env. midi triggering section, if you do the same thing, the envelope will trigger again when you release C. Which doesn't make musical sense to me.

I've used MPowerSynth as the example, but the same thing applies to any of your plugins that have the modulation subsystem.

This would be fixed by adding a new action "off" in the mod. env. midi trig section that would be:

"Start only if there is still some other note held. If not, don't start"

Hope that makes sense!

[MeldaProduction]

Aaaaha, interesting . Ok, again, I'll thinking about it