Hi guys, I’m confused.
I, for the last two years have been getting really into studio one and ableton. This summer I finally felt like I was super comfortable and bilingual in both programs.
Had a couple of issues with my push 2. But that was it.
Then I tried biotek which I absolutely loved.
Then I checked out waveform. The feature set blew my mind and I love the ethos around song writing. I would be happy to have a few daws to do different things. But I want a definite, concrete home for my personal music writing, even if I don’t do sound design/ video editing etc in the same program.
At first I found it impossible to navigate. Chopping audio is non existent. No multi tools, all the stuff I love about editing in studio one is not there. I miss my drum racks and s1 sampler, along with the arranger and midi editor automation in studio one. Also miss the one click automation parameters in ableton.
BUT there is so much I love about it. Chord generator (for which I already made a load of presets) the tag based browser system is incredible. Track display is amazing. GUI is amazing, it’s such a forward thinking daw and i even love the plugins despite having loads already.
So I’m trying to decide whether to buy into it, which would mean getting the full bundle and synths etc.
Are you guys having stability issues? I’m getting a ton of crashes, loads of plugins don’t work or don’t remember settings and generally it just feels a bit clunky to navigate. I’m just wondering if anyone here has made the switch and how they are feeling about it.
Either way this daw looks to be going places. It just feels like there are gaps at the moment. Like all the features are incredible but the flow isn’t quite there in operation.
Cheers
David
Opinions please
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- KVRist
- 463 posts since 17 Mar, 2018
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
What does this mean? What are you trying to do?Chopping audio is non existent
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- KVRian
- 526 posts since 7 May, 2007 from Angus,Scotland
It might be an idea to have a sticky to all of W9 quick start vids and the the rest of Bills vids,on here. Cause a lot of new user's are sometimes asking for things that are already possible
Windows 10 / Intel core i7 2700k @ 3.50GHz / 16GB Ram / Emu 1212m Sound Card / Ati Radeon HD5400 Series G/Card
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
They're all linked from the little YouTube like icon in the top right of the Waveform gui itself. And on the settings page, under tutorials.
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- KVRian
- 526 posts since 7 May, 2007 from Angus,Scotland
Thought I might regret my last post.chico.co.uk wrote:They're all linked from the little YouTube like icon in the top right of the Waveform gui itself. And on the settings page, under tutorials.
I knew that was there, cause I've used it, just slipped my mind
Windows 10 / Intel core i7 2700k @ 3.50GHz / 16GB Ram / Emu 1212m Sound Card / Ati Radeon HD5400 Series G/Card
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
I clicked it by mistake a bit back trying to maximise the gui, and got really confused for a minute. Like, where did all these tiny videos come from? Think i was half asleep at the time, which didn't help
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- KVRAF
- 5084 posts since 27 Jul, 2004
This is exactly the point for me too...DavidCarlyon wrote: Are you guys having stability issues? I’m getting a ton of crashes, loads of plugins don’t work or don’t remember settings and generally it just feels a bit clunky to navigate. I’m just wondering if anyone here has made the switch and how they are feeling about it.
W9 is lovely with all it´s features but randomly crashes to desktop here as well... and sadly not just a few times...
It seems to have problems with certain plugins like Fabfilter, Waves and a few other... even though I bought it, it´s nothing I would use as my main DAW atm...
But it seems heavily depend on what plugins you use... i.e. never had a single crash with Melda´s plugins...
Perhaps this crash fest is based on the openGL graphics Fabfilter and Waves uses...don´t know
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
Which Waves plugins are you thinking of? I've got quite a few now, and don't get this issue, but they make absolutely loads
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- KVRAF
- 37504 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
/ threadchico.co.uk wrote:What does this mean? What are you trying to do?Chopping audio is non existent
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
Yeah, that's what i was wondering too ... there's also warp time for audio, that can be applied as a clip effectaMUSEd wrote:/ threadchico.co.uk wrote:What does this mean? What are you trying to do?Chopping audio is non existent
and you can drop audio files into the multisampler, and it'll chop them at the transients, and map the hits out as midi
So there's quite a few ways to chop up audio, depending on what it is you're trying to do ...
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
Follow the youtube links, rather than playing them inline in the kvr forum, to jump to the correct time in the videos.
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- KVRist
- 228 posts since 2 Feb, 2015
I tend to hit the "n" key a lot to zoom a project out. Holding Shift + Alt gives you the zoom tool. Double clicking an audio clip toggles it's height. Use track tags to quickly navigate your project. To split a clip press "/". If you mean splitting clips at beat points, that's not Waveforms strong point, but it can be done by selecting a clip then clicking "Multisampler" in the bottom control panel. Audio can be warped manually with warp markers using clip effects. Multi-out instruments are usually placed in racks to facilitate routing to different tracks. To automate, drag the "A" symbol from the track to the plugin. This will show a menu with parameters. The developers were discussing introducing beat detection and audio quantising in the arrange window but not sure how far this has progressed. You can quantise audio in melodyne to a degree however.DavidCarlyon wrote:At first I found it impossible to navigate. Chopping audio is non existent. No multi tools, all the stuff I love about editing in studio one is not there. I miss my drum racks and s1 sampler, along with the arranger and midi editor automation in studio one. Also miss the one click automation parameters in ableton.
I can't really comment on stability of version 9 as I'm still on 8 which can have some issues but it seems to be particular plugins and the odd function that cause problems. It's certainly not slow to navigate once you know what you're doing. The track tagging sytem is one of the most flexible navigation systems I know of. I think 9 will improve as bugs are ironed as it's in continual development. If you like it and you've got some spare cash it might be worth picking up as there's a 50% discount sale on at the moment. Just use the code "LABOR2018" at the checkout before 4/9/2018.DavidCarlyon wrote:Are you guys having stability issues? I’m getting a ton of crashes, loads of plugins don’t work or don’t remember settings and generally it just feels a bit clunky to navigate. I’m just wondering if anyone here has made the switch and how they are feeling about it.
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- KVRAF
- 35687 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Well... that alone would be a reason for me not to switch from your hosts. Regarding the features: Nothing is perfect. I'm rather a less is more kind of guy though, so, gazillions of features is not necessarily a plus for me. Unless you hit the limits of what you want to do with Studio One and Ableton, i wouldn't consider switching to a host with less features, and more probability to crash on you.DavidCarlyon wrote: Are you guys having stability issues? I’m getting a ton of crashes, loads of plugins don’t work or don’t remember settings and generally it just feels a bit clunky to navigate.
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spoontechnique spoontechnique https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=418750
- KVRist
- 492 posts since 7 May, 2018
I started out on Live and switched to Waveform. I used to do all tasks in Live and gradually moved over to doing everything in Waveform. Here's my take.
1. Navigation/Audio Editing. With regard to navigation, at first it was annoying. But there's a lot of settings you can pick to make it more like what you were used to. Scroll behavior, cursor scrolling, etc. But audio editing is still more enjoyable for me in Live. It's easier to select a region of a track, instead of having to set the in/out or put your cursor at every part as Waveform does it. Waveform has some nice little things, but I prefer Live. That said, I do all my editing in Waveform now, so it's clearly not much worse.
2. As for midi, I don't like editing midi in Waveform either. To switch to triplets, you have to click on the global time signature. Replaying a clip you're working on requires setting the loop bar, which is quick but an extra step. The midi clips in the editor extend beyond the actual length of the selected midi clip, which is annoying especially when scrolling left and right. Bunch of random stuff like that. But again, there's neat tools as a counterpoint. Automation is a wash for me.
3. I have had stability issues, with some specific plugins and in general. Random crashes are scary, and I've set autosave on 1 minute. It's stressful to have a seemingly random crash. Submixes can also cause crashes. The crashes seem to decrease every new version/beta, though.
Like OP said, Waveform is forward-thinking and has a lot of great stuff. But some core stuff isn't as quick/easy/fun as in other DAWs. That said, I use Waveform for everything, so it's good enough for me.
1. Navigation/Audio Editing. With regard to navigation, at first it was annoying. But there's a lot of settings you can pick to make it more like what you were used to. Scroll behavior, cursor scrolling, etc. But audio editing is still more enjoyable for me in Live. It's easier to select a region of a track, instead of having to set the in/out or put your cursor at every part as Waveform does it. Waveform has some nice little things, but I prefer Live. That said, I do all my editing in Waveform now, so it's clearly not much worse.
2. As for midi, I don't like editing midi in Waveform either. To switch to triplets, you have to click on the global time signature. Replaying a clip you're working on requires setting the loop bar, which is quick but an extra step. The midi clips in the editor extend beyond the actual length of the selected midi clip, which is annoying especially when scrolling left and right. Bunch of random stuff like that. But again, there's neat tools as a counterpoint. Automation is a wash for me.
3. I have had stability issues, with some specific plugins and in general. Random crashes are scary, and I've set autosave on 1 minute. It's stressful to have a seemingly random crash. Submixes can also cause crashes. The crashes seem to decrease every new version/beta, though.
Like OP said, Waveform is forward-thinking and has a lot of great stuff. But some core stuff isn't as quick/easy/fun as in other DAWs. That said, I use Waveform for everything, so it's good enough for me.
Linux version?
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
You can select a region of a track to edit using Ctrl+Alt (on windows, not sure about mac) and drag over the area with the mouse, btw.spoontechnique wrote:I started out on Live and switched to Waveform. I used to do all tasks in Live and gradually moved over to doing everything in Waveform. Here's my take.
1. Navigation/Audio Editing. With regard to navigation, at first it was annoying. But there's a lot of settings you can pick to make it more like what you were used to. Scroll behavior, cursor scrolling, etc. But audio editing is still more enjoyable for me in Live. It's easier to select a region of a track, instead of having to set the in/out or put your cursor at every part as Waveform does it.
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