Tracktion Software

Dogboy73 · Post by **Dogboy73** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:31 pm

This is seriously getting on my tits now

The first note of a short MIDI sequence I recorded won't play properly. All I get is a little 'blip' from the first note then it cuts off. I thought it was down to the part looping over so I moved in a couple of bars, Played from the start - Some thing! I've tried quantising the note but this doesn't help. The MIDI part is set to output to my MS2000.

Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong here?

Also, The click track - First time I use this no problems. But after that I don't get a count-in despite the fact that I have the count-in set to 2 bars. Is this is a bug?

Cheers.

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:40 pm

1) Try zooming in real close and checking if there is two identical notes on top of each other. That could cause it to do that. Also select the clip and choose "delete content" then "content beyond start and end lf clip". There could be some left over material from another clip that you cant see well. Hopefully its not anything more serious.

2) Are you in Loop mode? You dont get a count in with loop mode is activated. It'll start recording wherever you put the playback head. So what I usually do is put the cursor 1 bar from the end, then it'll loop back to the begining. Same thing I did in Reason. Or you can use "L" to activate and de activate looping.

GOod luck.

Dogboy73 · Post by **Dogboy73** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:52 pm

Cheers for the reply.

I tried what you said. I got my head round the click track thing. That's cool now. Cheers for that advice.

Still got the problem with the MS2000 output though - As soon as I quantise the first note all but goes missing! This is starting with a brand new edit so theres definitely no other stuff in there getting in the way. Interstingly, I tried sending the output to a VSti & I didn't get the problem. Could it be something to do with the program change I added to the part in order to play the correct patch on the MS2000?

Dogboy73 · Post by **Dogboy73** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:06 pm

Okay, I tried a few more things;

I selected delete content, delete all controllers from the clip. This solved the problem with the first note & for the time being kept the current program I had selected. But ....... As soon as I moved MIDI input A (I have a 2x MIDI I/O USB MIDISport) to another track the program reset to program (Patch) 1 on the MS2000.

It would seem there's a problem each time Tracktion loops back to the start of the MIDI part & comes across the program change for the MS2000

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:08 pm

Dogboy73 wrote:
Still got the problem with the MS2000 output though - As soon as I quantise the first note all but goes missing! This is starting with a brand new edit so theres definitely no other stuff in there getting in the way. Interstingly, I tried sending the output to a VSti & I didn't get the problem. Could it be something to do with the program change I added to the part in order to play the correct patch on the MS2000?

Damn that sux. I cant be of much help since I really dont even work with hardware synths anymore. Only controllers. If you think its a program change issue you can try deleting those by clicking on insert program change, then choosing "remove all program change messages from this clip".

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:10 pm

Hah, you beat me to it.

Anywayz, I've actually had a similar problem with some VST's too. But it doesnt happen anymore and I dont know what I did (if anything) to fix it.

Dogboy73 · Post by **Dogboy73** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:30 pm

AD80 wrote:Hah, you beat me to it.

Anywayz, I've actually had a similar problem with some VST's too. But it doesnt happen anymore and I dont know what I did (if anything) to fix it.

By 2 minutes

If you remeber what you did please let me know

That's the thing with Tracktion - It does have 1 or 2 little ........ I was going to say bugs but really these are more 'quirks' I think

Still I love the looks, Feel, Layout & approach of the Tracktion so much I'm willing to put up with them & persevere with it.

I was using Logic in college to do a small project. It works well enough & the EXS24 sampler (Is that what it's called?) was a joy to use but I don't know - Traditional sequencers just seem all arse about face to me. Thank Raw Material for having the motivation & drive to create something so refreshing & frankly logical!

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:43 pm

Tracktion has plenty of "quirks" haha. All I know is I make music faster and WAY EASIER with Tracktion than I did with Cubase and PT. And Tracktion's only crashed once in a full year. So thats why I use it. But its definitely not perfect.

Anyways back on topic, I dont know why Tracktion resets the program change like that. But somebody that has more hardware could probably help you. Try the Mackie forum too.

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:12 am

I've had problems with notes cutting off in the past and found that there were controller messages for "all note/controllers off" in the clip that I never put there.
I don't know how they get there.

I delete them and it plays properly.
But then they come back and have to be deleted again.

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:16 am

I know what you're talking about. I thought my midi controller was broken and sending control messages by itself. Luckily I havent had the problem in a while.

Dogboy73 · Post by **Dogboy73** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:31 am

This is starting to sound more & more like a bug

Where do you report possible bugs to

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:42 am

Dogboy73 wrote:This is starting to sound more & more like a bug

Where do you report possible bugs to

jules@rawmaterialsoftware.com

or possibly the Mackie Tracktion forum.

The problem is that it is an intermittant problem or else is caused by some set of circumstances that no one is aware of and therefore can't document.

Dogboy73 · Post by **Dogboy73** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:59 pm

Cheers.

I e-mailed Jules & he got back to me within about an hour! I sent him a file but I've not heard back yet.

In the mean time I've being trying loads of different things to sort this out. in the end I just deleted all program changes, Set the MS2000 to the patch I wanted & recorded the part as audio!

Dogboy73 · Post by **Dogboy73** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:01 pm

After speaking to Jules via e-mail we've realised that the problem seems to be with my MS2000 - No matter where the program change is added to the clip I get the same glitch. Jules suggested that something could be resseting on my MIDI device (MS2000) each time the program change is reached causing the glitch. To confirm this - If I remove the prgram change & set the program manually on the MS2000 then there's no glitch. Back to the drawing board then

bk · Post by bk » Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:21 pm

Doesn't really sound like a problem to me. Almost all the hardware I've ever used will mute the output momemntarily when receiving a program change.
Couldn't you insert a program change right in front of the loop?

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