Vendor license policy collection

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joe_b
KVRist
102 posts since 21 Nov, 2017

Post Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:47 am

Introduction
I finally followed up with the implementation of an idea that I had a while ago and created a public google doc that shall contain license information, transfer policies and fees of audio software vendors. It is free to everyone to add informations.

Actual content
Here's the public doc
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

and here's the form to create a new entry:
https://goo.gl/forms/x4zCBuLQsoP2PVOy2

PLEASE LOOK UP IF THE COMPANY IS ALREADY IN THE TABLE BEFORE CREATING A NEW ENTRY!

Statistics:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp ... wanalytics

The goal
The goal is to make license policies comparable, to create some pressure on companies with very strict or non user-friendly policies and also to create one single place people can go to and look up information when they plan to sell their licenses.

Old thread
Lots of information also in the old thread, especially on individual support cases and more vendors.The old thread is here, you might wanna use the search function:
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=354654.

Feedback
Comments and suggestions about form&doc are very welcome!
If you represent one of the companies you're welcome to contact me via private message if you have questions or if the information in the table is incorrect.
Last edited by joe_b on Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:45 am, edited 2 times in total.

joe_b
KVRist
102 posts since 21 Nov, 2017

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:40 am

I will regularly update this list with all the companies currently included in the spreadsheet:

8DIO
Acousticsamples
AIR Music Technology
Arturia
Bitwig
Blue Cat Audio
Celemony
D16 Group
Eventide
FabFilter
IK Multimedia
Klevgränd
Melda Productions
Mercuriall
Native Instruments
Oeksound
Overloud
Plugin Alliance
Scarbee
Softube
Soundtoys
Spectrasonics
TAL Software
Toontrack
U-He
Valhalla
Vienna Instruments
Waves
Wavesfactory
Xfer Records
XLN Audio
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joe_b
KVRist
102 posts since 21 Nov, 2017

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:44 am

This post is reserved for a list of companies with very user friendly license policies
Amongst other things this means that these companies do not charge any transfer fees.

U-He
TAL Software

Arturia
Native Instruments
XLN Audio
Toontrack
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joe_b
KVRist
102 posts since 21 Nov, 2017

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:00 am

This post is reserved for a list of companies with questionable license policies.

Big transfer fees
Waves (horrendous transfer fees for bundles, need of active WUP)

No license transfer possible
Mercuriall
Scarbee ("user does not own the instrument, only the right to use it")
Wavesfactory
Blue Cat Audio

License becomes NFR after sale
Xfer Records

Companies charging for re-downloads
Spectrasonics
IK Multimedia (after 180 days)

Honorable mention for the need of a hardware dongle:
Vienna Instruments
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joe_b
KVRist
102 posts since 21 Nov, 2017

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:27 am

Thanks to the first couple of people contributing to the list!

chk071
KVRAF
19319 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:31 am

joe_b wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:47 am
The goal
The goal is to make license policies comparable, to create some pressure on companies with very strict or non user-friendly policies and also to create one single place people can go to and look up information when they plan to sell their licenses.
Lol...

Why not just do the right thing, and don't buy, when you are not OK with a company's license policy? :dog: The "pressure" isn't there anyway. Who reads this? Who pariticpates in this? Really pretty straight forward stuff, when you use your head to think a little bit.

dune_rave
KVRian
1242 posts since 23 Jun, 2006 from Hungary

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:40 pm

i was thinking on a similar list, but instead of license policies, we should list bugs that are not fixed. in many times, these information are well hidden, or buried in company forums...

gejoreni
KVRer
18 posts since 29 Jan, 2019

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:08 am

chk071 wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:31 am
joe_b wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:47 am
The goal
The goal is to make license policies comparable, to create some pressure on companies with very strict or non user-friendly policies and also to create one single place people can go to and look up information when they plan to sell their licenses.
Lol...

Why not just do the right thing, and don't buy, when you are not OK with a company's license policy? :dog: The "pressure" isn't there anyway. Who reads this? Who pariticpates in this? Really pretty straight forward stuff, when you use your head to think a little bit.
In my mind this list is informing consumers as well - so they know what not to buy. I should not have purchased waves bundle, didn't love it and now am stuck with it because transfering costs more than I could sell it for.

joe_b
KVRist
102 posts since 21 Nov, 2017

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:14 pm

gejoreni wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:08 am
In my mind this list is informing consumers as well - so they know what not to buy. I should not have purchased waves bundle, didn't love it and now am stuck with it because transfering costs more than I could sell it for.
That's exactly what I was aiming at:
1) inform potential buyers BEFORE they buy
2) If people stop buying from companies with policies like Waves and complain in forums and social media it actually DOES put pressure on them.

joe_b
KVRist
102 posts since 21 Nov, 2017

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:15 pm

dune_rave wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:40 pm
i was thinking on a similar list, but instead of license policies, we should list bugs that are not fixed. in many times, these information are well hidden, or buried in company forums...
I love the idea, but it would take a lot of effort to maintain this list.
License policies usually apply to all products of one company and don't change very often.
Bugs are (usually) unique to each product and DO get fixed lots of times.

But I am happy to help you set things up if you want to do it similar to what I did.

dune_rave
KVRian
1242 posts since 23 Jun, 2006 from Hungary

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:55 am

i disagree in certain degree: the FM8 64 bit ARP bug is there for many years(arp skips the first step) - so there are bugs that have a much longer life

joe_b
KVRist
102 posts since 21 Nov, 2017

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:15 am

Added a question to the form whether or not re-downloads are free (yeah, talking to you Spectrasonics and IK Multimedia!)

elassi
KVRAF
2167 posts since 8 Sep, 2009

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:36 pm

Nice job, joe_b. :tu:

TAL (https://tal-software.com/faq)
License transfers
License transfers are possible if you bought the plugin in our own web shop. Licenses can be transferred free of charge after 9 months of ownership. Premature transfers are only possible for a fee of $10. We will send you a Paypal invoice in this case and transfer the license after the payment was done. Please contact us directly (support@tal-software.com) with your Paypal email address to prove your ownership. We need the full name and the email address of the new owner.
Blue Cat Audio (https://www.bluecataudio.com/Legal/Terms/)
Blue Cat Audio grants you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable license, to access and view any Blue Cat Audio’s contents on the Website.

joe_b
KVRist
102 posts since 21 Nov, 2017

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:49 am

elassi wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:36 pm
Nice job, joe_b. :tu:

TAL (https://tal-software.com/faq)
License transfers
License transfers are possible if you bought the plugin in our own web shop. Licenses can be transferred free of charge after 9 months of ownership. Premature transfers are only possible for a fee of $10. We will send you a Paypal invoice in this case and transfer the license after the payment was done. Please contact us directly (support@tal-software.com) with your Paypal email address to prove your ownership. We need the full name and the email address of the new owner.
Blue Cat Audio (https://www.bluecataudio.com/Legal/Terms/)
Blue Cat Audio grants you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable license, to access and view any Blue Cat Audio’s contents on the Website.
Thanks! I added the information on those 2 companies. Also, I created a google form to fill the table, so if you come across any other companies you can directly add it :)

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monomox
KVRist
157 posts since 27 Nov, 2017 from CO, USA

Re: Vendor license policy collection

Post Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:44 am

This is gold, man, thank you very much.
:clap: :hug: :hyper: :tu:
I agree that this list should replace the old thread, which is haphazardly maintained, if at all.

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