Can any other Waveform 9 user please confirm if their piano roll goes lower the C-1 (i need to get to c-2)
Thanks...
Piano Roll - how low can you go?
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- KVRian
- 1312 posts since 3 May, 2005 from Victoria, BC
The piano roll covers the full range of midi notes from 0 to 127. If it's labelled C-1 or C-2 depends on your "Middle C" setting under MIDI settings. But independent of that setting, the lowest note will always play a C at 8.18Hz.
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- KVRAF
- 2461 posts since 9 Oct, 2008 from UK
I checked mine (under MIDI Devices). Middle C is set as C4, and the MIDI note number for that is 60. So C-1 has a MIDI note number of 0, which is the lowest permitted.
C4 is 60, C3 is 48, C2 is 36, C1 is 24, C0 is 12, and C-1 is 0.
Here's a list of some of the notes with their numeric values; it doesn't cover the whole range, but it shouldn't be too hard to extend above or below the range. The low notes are at the top:
https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/notes.html
Just found a diagram of a piano with all the MIDI note numbers on it. This disagrees with the above, because it has Middle C down as C3 instead of C4, and that would make note 0 C-2.
http://www.hinton-instruments.co.uk/ref ... ote_a4.pdf
Confusing. I changed my middle-C to C3 and I can now get to C-2.
This list all 127 notes and has middle-C as A4: https://syntheway.com/MIDI_Keyboards_Mi ... _60_C4.htm
C4 is 60, C3 is 48, C2 is 36, C1 is 24, C0 is 12, and C-1 is 0.
Here's a list of some of the notes with their numeric values; it doesn't cover the whole range, but it shouldn't be too hard to extend above or below the range. The low notes are at the top:
https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/notes.html
Just found a diagram of a piano with all the MIDI note numbers on it. This disagrees with the above, because it has Middle C down as C3 instead of C4, and that would make note 0 C-2.
http://www.hinton-instruments.co.uk/ref ... ote_a4.pdf
Confusing. I changed my middle-C to C3 and I can now get to C-2.
This list all 127 notes and has middle-C as A4: https://syntheway.com/MIDI_Keyboards_Mi ... _60_C4.htm
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- KVRian
- 524 posts since 16 Mar, 2017
Different sources use different values for the octave number. C4 seems to be the generally agreed on standard as middle C by most of the companies that matter. Yamaha and a few others like C3 for whatever reason. The wonderful thing about standards... so many to choose from...
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
Why do you need to get that low? I think i read a similar post elsewhere recently (on a Tracktion group on facebook, maybe?) and it was to trigger samples from a VST. Can't find that post now though ...
If it's the same issue, are the samples definitely mapped to C-2, they definitely don't mean they're mapped to C2?
Bear in mind that C2 in the VST might not necessarily actually be C2 in Waveform, depending on what setting you have on the settings page, under "Midi Devices" where it says "Middle C - use "C3" to represent Middle C".
You have options there to set Middle C as C3, C4 or C5, which could change which note the plugin gets sent, when you hit C2. Eg, if the plugin thinks middle C is C4, but Waveform is setup to consider C3 or C5 to be Middle C, i'm pretty sure that when you play C2, in Waveform, the plugin won't recognise that as C2. Somebody correct me if i'm wrong ...
Hope that makes sense. In practical terms, if you draw a midi note on every C from C-1 to C7, do you get any sound out of the plugin? Does it fire the sample it says is meant to be at C-2?
If it's the same issue, are the samples definitely mapped to C-2, they definitely don't mean they're mapped to C2?
Bear in mind that C2 in the VST might not necessarily actually be C2 in Waveform, depending on what setting you have on the settings page, under "Midi Devices" where it says "Middle C - use "C3" to represent Middle C".
You have options there to set Middle C as C3, C4 or C5, which could change which note the plugin gets sent, when you hit C2. Eg, if the plugin thinks middle C is C4, but Waveform is setup to consider C3 or C5 to be Middle C, i'm pretty sure that when you play C2, in Waveform, the plugin won't recognise that as C2. Somebody correct me if i'm wrong ...
Hope that makes sense. In practical terms, if you draw a midi note on every C from C-1 to C7, do you get any sound out of the plugin? Does it fire the sample it says is meant to be at C-2?
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
I may be over-complicating this.
Jabe is right, if you set Middle C to be C3, on that settings page, you can see C-2 in the midi editor.
Jabe is right, if you set Middle C to be C3, on that settings page, you can see C-2 in the midi editor.
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- KVRAF
- 2461 posts since 9 Oct, 2008 from UK
It looks like Waveform treats note 60 as middle-C, which is the standard, whether people call it C3, C4, or C5. If Waveform does treat note 60 as middle-C, then, if middle-C is set to C4, the lowest possible note (0) will be C-1. If middle-C is set to C3, the lowest note is still 0, but becomes C-2.
I don't reckon the plug-in knows about a note called middle C, but just knows about notes 0 to 127.
I don't reckon the plug-in knows about a note called middle C, but just knows about notes 0 to 127.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 50 posts since 3 Jan, 2019
Loads of great info as usual. All makes much more sense now.
Chico - Not sure if you're familiar with Maschine, but to trigger scenes in a DAW, Maschine will automatically map them to midi keys starting from the lowest first. In their video example (all based on Ableton) they specifically refer to C-2 as the starting point.
Reading above I would guess it's actually just assigning to Midi note 0. Will test and update the post. Thanks All.
Chico - Not sure if you're familiar with Maschine, but to trigger scenes in a DAW, Maschine will automatically map them to midi keys starting from the lowest first. In their video example (all based on Ableton) they specifically refer to C-2 as the starting point.
Reading above I would guess it's actually just assigning to Midi note 0. Will test and update the post. Thanks All.
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
Ah, makes sense. I don't use Maschine, no, but sounds like it should come together
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- KVRian
- 544 posts since 24 Jan, 2004 from Sweden
EZDrummer assigns drum sounds down to C-2 and they are playable in Waveform.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 50 posts since 3 Jan, 2019
Yep,... Solved! As described above. You can change the root note to display a c-2 but no need as Maschine just assigns the first scene to Midi note 0.
Thanks All
Thanks All
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- KVRian
- 524 posts since 16 Mar, 2017
It is displaying "c-2" regardless - it is just labeled differently depending on the selected root note.
The "c-1" of the default display is the same exact note as the "c-2" when you make that change.