Swirls and Zips and FX Shpongle style

How to make that sound...
WindMonk
KVRist
34 posts since 19 Aug, 2018

Post Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:44 pm

Hello everyone... I have the need for a few sounds that I am having trouble re-creating. I'm a guitarist first and I struggle with designing the sounds I hear in my head. I keep listening to sound sets for various synths and I am not finding what I need. I have included a link to a Shpongle live set. The synth work is spectacular and has some great sounds I would like to get close to (I don't want to copy exactly but I would like to be able to produce a close variation). I hope someone can help with a few of these. Im building a live set and I need a few new sounds to make it really pop! I hope you can help me out...
Thanks in advance,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYowY7tvBbY
5:20-5:40 There are 2 sounds Im looking for. The Lead sound is the most important. But also the swirling sound playing underneath it.
6:22-6:40 The filter sweeping rising arpeggio sound... This is the most important sound I'm looking for...


I hope you can help me out...
Thanks in advance,
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Last edited by WindMonk on Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:49 am, edited 1 time in total.

zabuAiO
KVRer
5 posts since 9 Feb, 2019

Re: Swirls and Zips and FX

Post Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:38 pm

oh boy I love Shpongle. :phones:

The sound you are referring to starting @ 5:20 and 6:22 is IMHO made with a very fast randomized square-wave LFO on a bandpass filter (and pitch) with a good amount of resonance.

Kwurqx
KVRist
358 posts since 15 Jun, 2017

Re: Swirls and Zips and FX Shpongle style

Post Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:45 am

Surprisingly little response to you questions....

These examples do sound like "classic" subtractive synthesis "leads". Shpongle's Simon Posford's gearlist shows a lot of analog gear. So...that makes it pretty likely.
https://equipboard.com/pros/shpongle-simon-posford

The lead is a sort-of-bread-and-butter "Moog" lead. Sweeping a resonant lowpass filter over saw tooth oscillator(s). Sounds easy enough in it's basic concept. But can be difficult to create a great sounding and dynamically playable lead.

The ARP-ish one is indeed probably a fast up-down arpeggio of a sweeping very resonant filtered saw oscillator patch. Maybe simply slow it down to distinguish the induividual notes...or use timestretch to slow things down.
Like Paul Nasca's (of ZynAddSubFX fame) algorithm as Xeniakos implemented in PaulXstretch
https://xenakios.wordpress.com/paulxstretch-plugin/

Might even be a 1 note followed by a 2 note ARP followed by a 4 note ARP (by just pressing more notes on the keyboard). At 5:40 or so he would then release all notes but one. And do a portamanto.

WindMonk
KVRist
34 posts since 19 Aug, 2018

Re: Swirls and Zips and FX Shpongle style

Post Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:45 pm

Thanks for your responses! I will make an effort to follow your advise and let you know if I am successful... Yeah Im a little surprised at the light response as well... but I appreciate any and all knowledge offered...
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Kwurqx
KVRist
358 posts since 15 Jun, 2017

Re: Swirls and Zips and FX Shpongle style

Post Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:14 am

For those "Moog" leads...

You could try

Fullbucket - ModulAir
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/modula ... cket-music
https://www.fullbucket.de/music/modulair.html

It is a superb sounding free modular synth. Amongst many things it produces great "Moog" mono leads (and "analog" style sounds in general).

A blank sheet and all these interconnected modules may seem quite a challenge at first. But keeping the "usual" signal path of a subtractive synth in mind....OSC --> FILTER --> AMP....it's really not that much of a challenge. Basically mainly pitch (osc), filter (cutoff) and amp (volume) are modulated (e.g. by ASDR and/of LFO).

The example below uses only 4 modules OSC --> FILTER (modulated by an ADSR) --> SAT --> out (just added a saturator after the filter).

Configure a "simple" dual Saw oscillator (slightly detuned e.g. +4/-4), followed by a Lowpass Ladder filter (12 dB/Oct or 24 dB/Oct) at high resonance (over 50%, say 60 out of 100), followed by a Saturator (drive at some 20%, 2 out of 11). This will allready yield great results. The only actual modulation....Filter cutoff modulated by (half of) a Dual Envelope module and by Note (at say +3.5 actually used for tracking). E.g. used for a filter sweep. The envelope triggered by Voice will retrigger at each Note On.

A separate Amp is not needed. The output from the Saturator goes into the endstage (master). There's a master/global ADSR there too (not used in this example, just ON/OFF). Set to mono (1 voice), with some portamento.

You can use preset K35 bass as an example/basis for the basic structure (but replace the Korg K35 filter by a Ladder filter).

Another superb option is the amazingly versatile and free (and open source) Surge. Not much this one can't do....
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/surge-by-vember-audio
https://surge-synthesizer.github.io/

Mushy Mushy
KVRAF
11298 posts since 7 Sep, 2008

Re: Swirls and Zips and FX Shpongle style

Post Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:22 am

I was there :hyper:

"6:22-6:40 The filter sweeping rising arpeggio sound" is a filter/resonance sweep on a 101. Any good VST 101 recreation will get you there.
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

Mushy Mushy
KVRAF
11298 posts since 7 Sep, 2008

Re: Swirls and Zips and FX Shpongle style

Post Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:24 am

And I'm in Colorado in a few weeks to see their last ever live show. :hyper: and :tantrum:
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

Kwurqx
KVRist
358 posts since 15 Jun, 2017

Re: Swirls and Zips and FX Shpongle style

Post Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:31 am

Generally these "rough" leads benefit from some sort of distortion. Like saturation, waveshaping or some form of "analog" dirt.

The "simple", quirky but brilliant Airwindows plugins/algorithms are among my favorites. Like HardVacuum.
https://www.airwindows.com/hard-vacuum-vst/

Chris "from Airwindows" generally explains and demonstrates the inner workings and do and dont's of his plugins in detailled videos. Well worth the time to hear him out....even if some videos are quite long.

larm
KVRian
831 posts since 28 Oct, 2004

Re: Swirls and Zips and FX Shpongle style

Post Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:31 am


Kwurqx
KVRist
358 posts since 15 Jun, 2017

Re: Swirls and Zips and FX Shpongle style

Post Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:33 am

Mushy Mushy wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:22 am
I was there :hyper:

"6:22-6:40 The filter sweeping rising arpeggio sound" is a filter/resonance sweep on a 101. Any good VST 101 recreation will get you there.
A great free Roland SH101 emulation:

Togu Audio Line (TAL) - Bassline
https://tal-software.com/products/tal-bassline

WindMonk
KVRist
34 posts since 19 Aug, 2018

Re: Swirls and Zips and FX Shpongle style

Post Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:07 am

Mushy Mushy wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:24 am
And I'm in Colorado in a few weeks to see their last ever live show. :hyper: and :tantrum:
Oh man... I am so jealous... I've never had the chance to see the full band... I'm sure it will be mind bending!!!

WindMonk
KVRist
34 posts since 19 Aug, 2018

Re: Swirls and Zips and FX Shpongle style

Post Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:09 am

Thanks for all the suggestions and information everyone... it's given me a lot to work on...so many sounds in my head but these are a great start!

tasty tatsyn
KVRist
300 posts since 19 Jun, 2016

Re: Swirls and Zips and FX

Post Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:34 am

zabuAiO wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:38 pm
oh boy I love Shpongle. :phones:

The sound you are referring to starting @ 5:20 and 6:22 is IMHO made with a very fast randomized square-wave LFO on a bandpass filter (and pitch) with a good amount of resonance.
Kwurqx wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:45 am
Surprisingly little response to you questions....

These examples do sound like "classic" subtractive synthesis "leads". Shpongle's Simon Posford's gearlist shows a lot of analog gear. So...that makes it pretty likely.
https://equipboard.com/pros/shpongle-simon-posford

The lead is a sort-of-bread-and-butter "Moog" lead. Sweeping a resonant lowpass filter over saw tooth oscillator(s). Sounds easy enough in it's basic concept. But can be difficult to create a great sounding and dynamically playable lead.

The ARP-ish one is indeed probably a fast up-down arpeggio of a sweeping very resonant filtered saw oscillator patch. Maybe simply slow it down to distinguish the induividual notes...or use timestretch to slow things down.
Like Paul Nasca's (of ZynAddSubFX fame) algorithm as Xeniakos implemented in PaulXstretch
https://xenakios.wordpress.com/paulxstretch-plugin/

Might even be a 1 note followed by a 2 note ARP followed by a 4 note ARP (by just pressing more notes on the keyboard). At 5:40 or so he would then release all notes but one. And do a portamanto.
Here's a little test in a loop, might become a track one day..

https://soundcloud.com/tatsyn/sponglified

all true above, you need a fast arp, resonance, modulate the filter and then it's up to notes played if you want the exact melody

tasty tatsyn
KVRist
300 posts since 19 Jun, 2016

Re: Swirls and Zips and FX Shpongle style

Post Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:06 pm

still needs a structure, whooshs, zip, zaps a,d bup and some groove but i'm enjoying the sketch :D

https://soundcloud.com/tatsyn/test-4-5-5-1

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