Really, the forum is already back on version 2 suggestions and Mac users are still waiting for the last update so we can play with Final Mix.
I keep checking...
Mac version coming soon.
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- KVRist
- 268 posts since 11 Nov, 2003 from kentucky
When is soon?
Really, the forum is already back on version 2 suggestions and Mac users are still waiting for the last update so we can play with Final Mix.
I keep checking...
Really, the forum is already back on version 2 suggestions and Mac users are still waiting for the last update so we can play with Final Mix.
I keep checking...
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- KVRian
- 1415 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from Inverness, Scotland
Still waiting for Mac support for JUCE/VST too.
[Jules! Not complaining! Carry on!]
[Jules! Not complaining! Carry on!]
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
Would you rather make all the PC users wait for the Mac version? Would that be fair? I dont fuckin think so. That plug-in wasnt developed by Jules or Mackie and since it was meant to work with the Mackie mixer there was no need for a Mac version. So give em a break. Its free.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 268 posts since 11 Nov, 2003 from kentucky
So defensive.
I thought the little emoticons were supposed to help convey a sense of humor and keep things light.
...and no, I don't expect Mackie to make pc users wait until the mac version is ready. I expect features to be developed concurrently for all platforms that Mackie lists as supported.
I just don't get how asking for equal treatment amounts to asking for special treatment in some people's minds.
In the spirit of the original post, I close in saying, hey anytime is good but when is soon?
I thought the little emoticons were supposed to help convey a sense of humor and keep things light.
...and no, I don't expect Mackie to make pc users wait until the mac version is ready. I expect features to be developed concurrently for all platforms that Mackie lists as supported.
I just don't get how asking for equal treatment amounts to asking for special treatment in some people's minds.
In the spirit of the original post, I close in saying, hey anytime is good but when is soon?
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- KVRist
- 199 posts since 2 Mar, 2003 from NYC
I agree entirely with what James just said (please dont kill me).
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- KVRAF
- 1974 posts since 21 Jun, 2002 from Earth
call me stupid but.. this is what I persoanlly don't get...
why is it just assumed that development time on one platform equates to that of another. Maybe there are more hangups... and issues to fix. Maybe FinalMix is a port to the mac, vs. native on the PC.
Uneven development times... it's not uncommon. About the only sequencers in existance that operate on a "perfect world" schedule are Live and Reason... beyond that, one platform tends to always lead the other...
so why is it even a issue in the first place? you know the mac version is coming, and it'll be here when it's done...
imagine if linux ever creeps into the pot... would you *honestly* expect a pc, mac AND linux version to release concurrently... rrrrriiiiigggghhhhtt...
why is it just assumed that development time on one platform equates to that of another. Maybe there are more hangups... and issues to fix. Maybe FinalMix is a port to the mac, vs. native on the PC.
Uneven development times... it's not uncommon. About the only sequencers in existance that operate on a "perfect world" schedule are Live and Reason... beyond that, one platform tends to always lead the other...
so why is it even a issue in the first place? you know the mac version is coming, and it'll be here when it's done...
imagine if linux ever creeps into the pot... would you *honestly* expect a pc, mac AND linux version to release concurrently... rrrrriiiiigggghhhhtt...
ModuLR / Radio
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
I'm not a developer. But it seems common sense to me that when you have limited resources, one platform will be worked on first, then the other. If thats the case, then releasing both at the same time IS special (and un fair) treatment becuase it withholds features from some users.james wrote:
...and no, I don't expect Mackie to make pc users wait until the mac version is ready. I expect features to be developed concurrently for all platforms that Mackie lists as supported.
I just don't get how asking for equal treatment amounts to asking for special treatment in some people's minds.
Thats why I responded to Sixnon's post. Because he made it seem as if companies that dont release things at the same time dont care about both platforms equally (Which is of course not true).
Like I sayd before I dont think Jules or Mackie had anything to do with the development of the plug-in which was written in 2001. So its a free gift which Mac users need to get ASAP. But dont make it seem like dev's are against your platform for releasing things at different times.
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- KVRist
- 73 posts since 29 Aug, 2003 from australia
Actually AD80 that may well be a misreading of my post, and I must agree with James that your response did come across as a little bit of an overreaction.
I also don't get the "in a perfect world" argument..If Live and Reason (two of the most popular pieces of software in the audio world) can do it, then of course it is possible for others to do it...it just takes will, good business practices etc..
I mean the whole argument for US hegemony is "well in a perfect world we wouldn't go 'round making preemptive strikes on innocent women and children...but what would you rather...Ayrab terrorists tellin' us what to do"
Just because the world ain't perfect (and indeed maybe it is) doesn't mean one can't make suggestions as to how to better it..(and obviously that is a subjective experience..)
I don't want to get into a Mac's are better than PC's kind of thing here, I find it childish and tiresome. I'n simply saying that if you advertise a product as cross platform, then say "Oh yeh, but that feature doesn't exist in the xyz platform" then you're in breach of your advertising and your responsibility to your consumer base..it's just business AD80, I ain't making a comment about your wprth as an individual...
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I also don't get the "in a perfect world" argument..If Live and Reason (two of the most popular pieces of software in the audio world) can do it, then of course it is possible for others to do it...it just takes will, good business practices etc..
I mean the whole argument for US hegemony is "well in a perfect world we wouldn't go 'round making preemptive strikes on innocent women and children...but what would you rather...Ayrab terrorists tellin' us what to do"
Just because the world ain't perfect (and indeed maybe it is) doesn't mean one can't make suggestions as to how to better it..(and obviously that is a subjective experience..)
I don't want to get into a Mac's are better than PC's kind of thing here, I find it childish and tiresome. I'n simply saying that if you advertise a product as cross platform, then say "Oh yeh, but that feature doesn't exist in the xyz platform" then you're in breach of your advertising and your responsibility to your consumer base..it's just business AD80, I ain't making a comment about your wprth as an individual...
peace
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- KVRAF
- 1974 posts since 21 Jun, 2002 from Earth
the thing is... no one has ever stated that final mix isn't coming to the mac. The statement made from Makie is to the contrary. They said the the Mac version will follow. They have promised to provide it to you for free...sixnon wrote: I'n simply saying that if you advertise a product as cross platform, then say "Oh yeh, but that feature doesn't exist in the xyz platform" then you're in breach of your advertising and your responsibility to your consumer base..it's just business AD80, I ain't making a comment about your wprth as an individual.
so what your are in fact complaining about is the lack of simulataneous releases... NOT the fact that a feature is non-existant. Mackie never said Mac users won't get Final Mix.... it's coming, it's just not ready yet. Where is the breach? that is just being anal and super impatient...
ModuLR / Radio
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- KVRAF
- 1617 posts since 2 Dec, 2003
Well, I think the option was this: release the pc version and then finish the mac version, or finish the mac version and then release them both. Either way the mac version comes out at the same time, but if you do it the first way then the pc users (the majority i think) get a fun toy to play with to ensure upgrade to T2... I'm sure a mac version will come as soon as soon is, just be patient.
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- KVRist
- 73 posts since 29 Aug, 2003 from australia
Hey MOd, I think you ascribe to much of your own temperament to me...it's called "projection" in psychological literature (I'm sure you understand that already using such technical terms as "anal"...btw Freud ain't as hip as he 60 years ago) . I'm not complaining...I'm stating how I feel about the issue...whether I have final mix or nay makes little difference to my quality of life...I remain far from anal and superimpatient...(you should see my music studio)...
nonetheless I can see where this is going...so...
did not! (i believe the correct response to this post is "did so!")
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. I'm not complaining...I'm stating how I feel about the issue...whether I have final mix or nay makes little difference to my quality of life...I remain far from anal and superimpatient...(you should see my music studio)...nonetheless I can see where this is going...so...
did not! (i believe the correct response to this post is "did so!")
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
Anything is "Possible". But how can it be considered good business practices or fair to withhold features from one platform just to make the other platform feel accepted?sixnon wrote: then of course it is possible for others to do it...it just takes will, good business practices etc..
I guess I dont know what point you're trying to make with this or what it has to do with having a computer or Final Mix. What the hell do you possibly know about preemptive strikes in Australia? I was born in Panama city, Panama. Operation Just Cause survivor. Dont try to talk to me about strikes. And why dont you go ask Jobs how many computers he sold to the US army since you seem to be so much into global issues.I mean the whole argument for US hegemony is "well in a perfect world we wouldn't go 'round making preemptive strikes on innocent women and children...but what would you rather...Ayrab terrorists tellin' us what to do"
Sure doesnt, but witholding Final Mix from PC users until the Mac version is finished would make everything "better" ???doesn't mean one can't make suggestions as to how to better it..
That feature doesnt exist YET becuase they're working on it. Thats nothing to be ashamed of as a business. I'm almost certain they dont have a Final Mix PC team, and a Final Mix Mac team. So they probably couldnt finish both at the same time. Atleast thats what makes sense to me. But maybe I'm wrong.I don't want to get into a Mac's are better than PC's kind of thing here, I find it childish and tiresome. I'n simply saying that if you advertise a product as cross platform, then say "Oh yeh, but that feature doesn't exist in the xyz platform" ...
All I know is I dont want Raw Materials to get to the point where they're witholding a done feature for the PC version just so the Mac users dont get sad and feel left out. Its silly.