Waveform 11 and music printing

[dlandis]

I do understand that printing music is not anywhere in the paradigm that produced or sustains Waveform- and this probably for the better- but I was wondering if one of two things could be done to facilitate this connection:

1) Could Waveform perhaps include the option to save its output to a MIDI Standard file? This would allow for the importation into Finale or Notion.

2) Is it possible to have (for lack of a better description) tighter integration via ReWire of Finale or Notion and Waveform?

Forgive me if this question has been dealt with at some point. I appreciate any comments.

Dan

[astey]

1) click on the small file icon on the midi clip header. This creates/renders a midi *.mid file you can drop anywhere.

2a) you can drop said file in a notation app, if it supports drag & drop. W11 supports both ways.

2b) reaper supports notations as far as I know. It supports w11 rewire slave too.

[dlandis]

Thanks, Astey. I'll try that posthaste.

But, a quick question, if you will: how did you find this?

Dan

[astey]

Hi Dan,
experience with other DAWs and I'm quite experienced in software workflows.
Worked as a software beta tester in my spare time.
Lots of try and error in general.

I came from Bitwig and Studio One. I'm new to W11 and still learning, so I try different workflows to compensate the shortcomings of W11. Right now I'm using Reaper in Rewire to get proper ARA2 and Push2 support. There is a lot to like about W11, thats why I want to learn it still.

I never used notation myself. I'm continuing to learn the piano in the near future to play fluently(I'm a drummer), but there is a long way to go. Since I record other musicians or produce electronic music, I find the key roll to be easier.

Cheers

[dlandis]

Hi Astey,
Thanks for sharing your expertise. We're out for summer here (in one sense, of course, we've been out since COVID-19 hit, but that actually worked out for more time being spent on work-related duties), so I'm really hoping to spend time with both Waveform and Bitwig. They both seem great and very different, so I've committed to learning both. I'm coming from many years with Cakewalk; I'm not dismissing Cake (which I think, if anything, may actually be as strong as it was before), but I'm looking at other workflows and approaches. I tried Studio One, but MIDI-wise, it seemed a bit constrained (no polyphonic AT, no MPE), though in terms of workflow, it seemed grand.

As primarily a tenor/soprano saxophonist, I've got one foot in both the manuscript and improvisational camps. One of my composition profs always chided me on not wanting to get even more into writing things out, but seemed to respect my desire/ability to maintain as much as I did without resorting to Finale. I owe her for that.

Dan

[fde101]

Depending on how deep your notation requirements run and how frequently you expect to use notation together with your DAW, if you happen to be on a Mac, you might also want to take a look at Logic Pro, as it has notation functionality built-in, which may be convenient for some projects:

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH24505?vi ... cale=en_US



Cubase also has built-in score editing (and is cross-platform, though a bit pricier):

https://www.musictech.net/tutorials/cub ... ubase-pro/

[astey]

Hi Astey,
Thanks for sharing your expertise. We're out for summer here (in one sense, of course, we've been out since COVID-19 hit, but that actually worked out for more time being spent on work-related duties), so I'm really hoping to spend time with both Waveform and Bitwig. They both seem great and very different, so I've committed to learning both. I'm coming from many years with Cakewalk; I'm not dismissing Cake (which I think, if anything, may actually be as strong as it was before), but I'm looking at other workflows and approaches. I tried Studio One, but MIDI-wise, it seemed a bit constrained (no polyphonic AT, no MPE), though in terms of workflow, it seemed grand.

As primarily a tenor/soprano saxophonist, I've got one foot in both the manuscript and improvisational camps. One of my composition profs always chided me on not wanting to get even more into writing, but seemed to respect my desire/ability to maintain as much as I did without resorting to Finale. I owe her for that.

Dan

In my opinion, w11 is one of the top 3 daws when it comes to features. Some of them work excellent, some if them are quirky, some of them are there but don't feel "baked in".

In terms of finish/polished, its were Bitwig was 1.5 years ago. So if the devs keep current pace, the future is going to be very bright and great + it becomes my favourite workstation.

Bitwig is very good for experimental music, to get lost in sound. Cant recommend it for recording and groovy music at all. No comping, no groove pool yet, no ara. Techno is a home run.

Studio one is (one of) the best when it comes to applying groove and chord adjustments.hands down.

Cubase and logic get all the checks on paper, but when i actually used the product i found so many mood killers.
Mpe example:
- cubase claims to have mpe, but it actually supports just note expression. Its cubase specific; and displays pitch bend in 16 bit values....how is that a musical approach?
- Logic lets you edit mpe by an event list editor... how is that practical?
If you want to use mpe seriously there are two options only in my opinion. Bitwig and Tracktion.
All other manufacturers implemented multi channel midi only.

I bought cubase pro for 3 updates. Logic by YouTube videos. Bought Bitwig since 1.0.
I use mpe with a roli seaboard.

[dlandis]

Hi Astey, fde 101,

I'm not on a Mac, so Logic is a no-go. Cakewalk has some score writing ability, but it's more for scratch parts (which is still pretty nice in a pinch). Studio One is pretty well integrated with Notion and (finally) Notion will run on an i9. This just happened this past spring. Before that, I had to network my i9 to an i7 because Notion just wouldn't run on an i9 (unless one turned off multi-threading). But it's really okay; I do like editing via notation occasionally, but I'm fine otherwise.

And Astey, I agree with you. I find both Waveform and Bitwig complementary and non-standard (both quirky in some really good ways) and they press me into approaches that are fresh. And the MPE support is kind of key for me. I'm using the Seaboard Block, Lightpad Block, and Touch Block, a very cool combination. And you're dead right: they work great with Waveform and Bitwig.

I really am looking forward to whatever comes our way with Waveform. I enjoy the direction so far and appreciate the stretching of comfort zone.

Dan