MDrummer: hints for having realistic ride cymbals ?

[mevla]

Subject line says it all. Natural sounding ride cymbals, with here and there ride cymbal bell hits. Any hints on producing ride cymbals that do not sound square ? Slightly variable velocity, perhaps a touch of probability ... any hints ?

Cheers.

[goldglob]

Hi mevia, what have you tried so far? There's so many angles... are we talking pads mode (so just things in the Drumset Editor) or MIDI commands (and thus Rhythm Editor settings as well)? Have you tried using a few different sample layers and switching between them randomly?

[mevla]

Hi goldglob, very sorry for the delay, been extremely busy with all kinds of 'non-creative' matters. And will still be for a week perhaps.

The ride cymbal is part of patterns. No, haven't tried layers. Actually I do not know how despite how quite interesting it sounds as an approach to sound creation and variation. Is there any video around explaining how to creatively use sample layers with MDrummer ?

Cheers.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Multiple Round-Robins
Multiple velocity layers
Cymbal 'swell' modelling

[mevla]

Multiple Round-Robins
Multiple velocity layers
Cymbal 'swell' modelling

Hmmmm .....

[goldglob]

Hi goldglob, very sorry for the delay, been extremely busy with all kinds of 'non-creative' matters. And will still be for a week perhaps.

The ride cymbal is part of patterns. No, haven't tried layers. Actually I do not know how despite how quite interesting it sounds as an approach to sound creation and variation. Is there any video around explaining how to creatively use sample layers with MDrummer ?

Cheers.

I don't know off hand of any video that specifically explores the sample layers thing, but just quickly:
E.G.
To have a ride randomly switch to an occasional bell you could set up in VELOCITY LAYERS a few identical layers of a normal ride, then add another layer for bell, and use the random mode setting (rather than 'First' or 'All').

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Multiple Round-Robins
Multiple velocity layers
Cymbal 'swell' modelling

Hmmmm .....

Just answering the question

To add: Play/program in a manner that a real drummer would play them

[mevla]

Just answering the question

Well, in a practical manner, no. I know nothing of:

Multiple Round-Robins
Multiple velocity layers
Cymbal 'swell' modelling

It's as if you were asking me how to make koji and I'd say:

Get fungi
Get rice
Cook rice
Incubate

In practical terms it's not an answer You'd be researching, trying a few times, throwing away a few batches.

[mevla]

Even with my limited knowledge of it, MDrummer is quite the piece of creative and flexible software.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Just answering the question

Well, in a practical manner, no. I know nothing of:

Multiple Round-Robins
Multiple velocity layers
Cymbal 'swell' modelling

It's as if you were asking me how to make koji and I'd say:

Get fungi
Get rice
Cook rice
Incubate

In practical terms it's not an answer You'd be researching, trying a few times, throwing away a few batches.

I gave you a list of ingredients. Learning how to best assemble those ingredients requires listening to and learning how drummers actually use/play the ride cymbal. And that' something that isn't as easy to distill into a quick answer.

[mevla]

I gave you a list of ingredients. Learning how to best assemble those ingredients requires listening to and learning how drummers actually use/play the ride cymbal. And that' something that isn't as easy to distill into a quick answer.

It does not change a thing IMHO. Unaware, you inhale some aspergillus oryzae fungi and you're done. Trip to the hospital and you'll stay there for a few days and perhaps take a month to recover.

Likewise each of these MDrummer 'ingredients' is not an ingredient but a process, each process having its own set of procedures.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Round-Robins: Refers to the sampling of multiple hits of the the same articulation. These can be triggered in various manners ((Random, sequenced etc.), to avoid the machine-gun effect associated with playing exactly the same samples, over and over.

Multiple velocity layers: This involves sampling different hits at different intensities, because how hard an instrument is struck will not just be a question of volume variance, but of timbre etc.

Cymbal Swell modelling: When hitting a cymbal multiple times, the hits start to lose their definition as they blend/mesh with the increased swell and decay of the cymbal.

[mevla]

Getting there !

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Getting there !

I've led you to the water. Only you can decide if you're gonna drink

[ystmrk]

I like BFD3's Cymbal Swell.
Do you know how to get the same effect with MDrummer?