Hi,
When making drum kits for a song I sometimes am compiling several kicks ontop of each other and some times this can cause phasing issues. Would MAutoAlign be a good tool to help fix this? I have also heard of SoundRadix Pi but it's quite expensive and can't have as many input as MAutoAlign.
How does it align the sound does it use just a delay or does it use allpass filters or ios there some super secret way?
MAutoAlign for EDM?
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- KVRist
- 86 posts since 5 Apr, 2018
Autoaligning is for mutlimic'd sounds. It looks for similarities or a correlation (which is always there because it is the same signal only recorded "differently") and alignes them statically usual by a simple time delay. MAutoAlign is comparable to Soundradix Autoalign (which is the original and works better).
Soundradix Pi does something different. It was made for combining different sounds by dynamically rotating the phase of the signals as needed to ensure the least phase cancellation.
Soundradix Pi does something different. It was made for combining different sounds by dynamically rotating the phase of the signals as needed to ensure the least phase cancellation.
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- KVRist
- 452 posts since 21 Jul, 2018
Yeah. You don't want PI for this. It will just cause problems. I tried using it for a stack of unrelated toms, and it was a nightmare. Unique plug when used for intended purpose, but definitely not what you need here. Frankly, it would just make it harder to properly dial in since it would shift things in ways that you wouldn't necessarily see on waveform zoom in.
What you want to is just look at the waveform, make sure they are trimmed up so they start at the same point, and that they are starting in phase (all going up or down to start with in same direction) If they are going out of phase after that, then you're doing something that's doomed to fail anyway like stacking similar but differently tuned kicks on top of each other.
If you don't have access to see the waveforms due to the plug being used, then you can also depending on DAW just select the region and use positive/negative region or track delay to offset until it sounds right with the other track. No plug,no voodoo, and no guessing as to whether it's the best sounding version since you can hear it as you nudge it along.
What you want to is just look at the waveform, make sure they are trimmed up so they start at the same point, and that they are starting in phase (all going up or down to start with in same direction) If they are going out of phase after that, then you're doing something that's doomed to fail anyway like stacking similar but differently tuned kicks on top of each other.
If you don't have access to see the waveforms due to the plug being used, then you can also depending on DAW just select the region and use positive/negative region or track delay to offset until it sounds right with the other track. No plug,no voodoo, and no guessing as to whether it's the best sounding version since you can hear it as you nudge it along.
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Uncovered Pitch Uncovered Pitch https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=337060
- KVRist
- 47 posts since 2 Sep, 2014 from London, UK
If you work with audio files, then yes aligning the waveforms is probably the best thing to do. I tend to work with "live" plug-ins like Sonic Academy Kick 2 which I layer with other plug-ins and MAutoAlign works well for this.
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- KVRist
- 148 posts since 29 Apr, 2019
Alternatively mix one into the other to clean up the target. You could EQ the areas you want to focus on and experiment with different delays all the way up to a 180° phase shift till it sounds right. This requires no plugin and your ears will be tuned. You can even automate the delay to bring it in and out.
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- KVRian
- 965 posts since 12 May, 2019
The layers can be blended in time as well. The transient comes first followed by the rest. A mid layer can be high passed above a lower one and a sub can be faded into after a punch layer. Blend it in mono to avoid fooling yourself and you can pan any stereo layers after.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 23 posts since 17 Mar, 2010
Thanks for the replys.
To be honest I'm just looking for a way to line up the phase as much as possible. I'm not concerned about the low end as thats quite obvious to the ears but what about the top end. Above say 800hz, I know an all pass filters align phase of a signal but is there a way i can apply an all pass to the top end so the pahse will be in a positive correlation?
To be honest I'm just looking for a way to line up the phase as much as possible. I'm not concerned about the low end as thats quite obvious to the ears but what about the top end. Above say 800hz, I know an all pass filters align phase of a signal but is there a way i can apply an all pass to the top end so the pahse will be in a positive correlation?
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- KVRist
- 308 posts since 11 Jul, 2016
I'll run MAutoAlign on 2 bass tracks to see what it comes up with (i.e DI and Amp). Same with Drum samples when I want to layer them. It really grabs your attention when you see it flip the phase on one of the tracks. If nothing else, it gives you the option to use it or not depending on which sounds better, and an indication if you need to look more closely. It's so easy to check this way, it's made me quite lazy. 
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MeldaProduction MeldaProduction https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176122 - KVRAF
- 14339 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
Actually I plan something like this for the mixing revolution haha, soon the development starts hopefully! Finally!...
