Help needed creating Kotelnikov and Molot settings to emulate LA2A and 1176

[canaden]

I am trying to create presets within Kotelnikov and Molot in attempt to match LA2A behaviour as well as 1176. I'm looking for some advice on how I can get these compressors to behave this particular way. Some settings I have for the LA2A were pulled from here https://www.uaudio.com/blog/la-2a-colle ... ps-tricks/

So I currently have 10 seconds of attack, 60 seconds or release for first half and .5-5 seconds for second half of the release. I understand that the LA2A is also a frequency dependant, however I am unsure of how to replicate this curve within Kotelinkov.

I have found this curve of the behaviour of the UAD 2A but I'm still a little confused of how to adjust the FDR curve in the plugin to mimic the behaviour.

Thanks for any help in advance.

[AYM Music]

This is precisely why I came to this forum. I've searched all over and haven'f found any presets to fake an LA2A and 1176 and DBX 160 in either Molot or Kotelnikov. I'd love to dump my Waves plugins. Thanks.

[Hermetech Mastering]

Neither were intended to be "do everything" compressors or strict emulations, they are their own things, so not sure how close you'll get trying to make them sound like specific hardware devices.

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

I got pretty close making Kotelnikov GE act like Waves cla black. Actually a little better because it kept the low end. I will share the preset later today. I found the secret sauce to be engaging the inertia.

I really like K GE and could get by if that was the only one I had.

[AYM Music]

I got pretty close making Kotelnikov GE act like Waves cla black. Actually a little better because it kept the low end. I will share the preset later today. I found the secret sauce to be engaging the inertia.
I really like K GE and could get by if that was the only one I had.

Sounds good! I look forward to trying it out.

[AYM Music]

Neither were intended to be "do everything" compressors or strict emulations, they are their own things, so not sure how close you'll get trying to make them sound like specific hardware devices.

I agree and that is why I'm a fan of the TDR suite. Skyelab had some presets for the Logic Chromaverb that he tweaked to sound like a Lexicon 480L. They weren't perfect, but definitely usable. That is what gave me the idea about using the colorful Molot with tweaked settings to emulate some other classic compressors. I do have Waves versions, but I'd be happy to dump them with TDR emulations.

[AYM Music]

I searched everywhere without luck but ultimately found one thing that was helpful in getting started. It was from Holger Lagerfeldt at Gear Grotto.

Here's his presets PDF "kotelnikov-ge-compressor-presets.pdf" with presets:
https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event= ... resets.pdf

Take a look at preset: "Vox - Serial 1 Peak Comp" for an 1176 type setting and at "Vox - Serial 3 RMS Smooth" as similar to an LA2A. The preset in the middle of these is called: "Vox - Serial 2 Fake Upward" and could be used as a parallel buss compressor. It also can take the place of something like "OTT" or the Waves MV2.

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

Ok.....sorry for the delay with these....I completely forgot to upload these.

Here are 2 1176ish presets. One I use for bass the other for snare. They are text files. Copy all of the text to the clipboard. Right click on the Kotelnikov logo and paste in.

They are set for peak only. Attack is set to allow some peaks to pass. The inertia is on. This seems to give it similar action to the Waves CLA. On the bass preset I set the FDR to allow bass freguencies to be at a lower ratio.

I recently ran across a perfect application for a 1176. A snare sample with a nasty spike at the front edge.

The Waves CLA failed to get it. Molot and Kotelnikov also were too slow. BRA VLA- Fet was not even close ( but I expected that....it is kind of a different beast). The Fet in Scheps Omni couldn't get it. Stillwell's Rocket squashed it. This was partly due to less than a micro second attack time and some onboard saturation. I was able to recreate Rockets affect using Klanghelm DC8C3.

Soooo.......that being said ....first I have never even seen a real 1176 second I don't think either Molot or Kotelnikov are going to be great 1176 substitutes for the extreme settings but may get the action for slower attacks. Molot is just full of attitude and can deliver some spit similar to 1176. Again failing at extremes.

Kotelnikov can do a decent impression of a 1176 paired with a La2a the way many folk use them for vocal or bass.. actually that is what it really excells at.

I would think Kotelnikov could do a La2a pretty well. I don't have alot of hands on with La2a though.

It was really neat trying to get Kotelnikov to be a 1176.....I love this compressor.

I am still learning the newer Molot GE.

[Hermetech Mastering]

Can you just paste the text please? Saves having to download.

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

Can you just paste the text please? Saves having to download.

Duh....

Yeah....I think so....I'll try.

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

1176 bass

<TDRKotelnikovGE thresholdParam="-15.5" peakCrestParam="Peak" softKneeParam="3.1" maxGRParam="12.0" maxGROnParam="Off" ratioParam="4.0" attackParam="2.7" releasePeakParam="33" releaseRMSParam="220" inertiaParam="Intertia" makeUpParam="2.6" dryMixParam="off" dryWetParam="0.0" dryMixModeParam="Dry Mix" outGainParam="0.0" keyHPFrequencyParam="150" keyHPSlopeParam="3.0" keyStereoDiffParam="0" keyStereoLinkParam="Advanced" keyStereoBalanceParam="Center" fdrVisibleParam="Off" fdrActiveParam="On" fdrTypeParam="Shelf B" fdrFrequencyParam="120" fdrAmountParam="62" yingParam="On" yangParam="Off" deltaParam="Off" bypassParam="Off" equalLoudParam="Off" qualityParam="Precise" modeParam="Stereo" grDispScaleParam="2" grDispModeParam="Gain Reduction" sidechainModeParam="INT SC"/>


1176 snare

<TDRKotelnikovGE thresholdParam="-21.8" peakCrestParam="Peak" softKneeParam="3.1" maxGRParam="12.0" maxGROnParam="Off" ratioParam="4.0" attackParam="0.99" releasePeakParam="201" releaseRMSParam="220" inertiaParam="Intertia" makeUpParam="8.5" dryMixParam="off" dryWetParam="0.0" dryMixModeParam="Dry Mix" outGainParam="0.0" keyHPFrequencyParam="150" keyHPSlopeParam="3.0" keyStereoDiffParam="100" keyStereoLinkParam="Advanced" keyStereoBalanceParam="Center" fdrVisibleParam="Off" fdrActiveParam="Off" fdrTypeParam="Bell A" fdrFrequencyParam="1000" fdrAmountParam="0" yingParam="On" yangParam="Off" deltaParam="Off" bypassParam="Off" equalLoudParam="Off" qualityParam="Precise" modeParam="Stereo" grDispScaleParam="3" grDispModeParam="Gain Reduction" sidechainModeParam="INT SC"/>

[Hermetech Mastering]

Thanks, will give these a try!

[sparella]

Here is the Kotelnikov preset I call LA2Aish which I created to approximate the compressor mode behavior of two LA2A emulations: IK White 2A and Analog Obsession LALA. I might work on frequency dependent behavior at some point and maybe compare a hardware unit using Mix Analog out of curiosity, but I like how it sounds at the moment. I used Compression Measurement Toolbox to compare the Att-Rel curves and Ratio behavior. With soft knees and two-stage release curves its difficult to quantify the exact measurement results, so I mainly focused on matching the graphs. Don't pay too much attention to the numbers it estimated.

<TDRKotelnikovGE _preset_name="LA2Aish" thresholdParam="-16.5" peakCrestParam="-5.5" softKneeParam="6.0" maxGRParam="12.0" maxGROnParam="Off" ratioParam="4.0" attackParam="30" releasePeakParam="30" releaseRMSParam="375" inertiaParam="Off" makeUpParam="0.0" dryMixParam="off" dryWetParam="0.0" dryMixModeParam="Dry Mix" outGainParam="0.0" keyHPFrequencyParam="120" keyHPSlopeParam="2.0" keyStereoDiffParam="100" keyStereoLinkParam="Advanced" keyStereoBalanceParam="Center" fdrVisibleParam="Off" fdrActiveParam="Off" fdrTypeParam="EL Curve" fdrFrequencyParam="191" fdrAmountParam="-50" yingParam="On" yangParam="Off" deltaParam="Off" bypassParam="Off" equalLoudParam="Off" qualityParam="Precise" modeParam="Stereo" grDispScaleParam="2" grDispModeParam="Gain Reduction" sidechainModeParam="INT SC"/>

LA2Aish Ratios.png

LA2Aish Ratios Overlay.png

LA2Aish LALA Att-Rel.png

LA2Aish White2A Att-Rel.png

LA2Aish Att-Rel Overlay.png

[stromkraft]

I searched everywhere without luck but ultimately found one thing that was helpful in getting started. It was from Holger Lagerfeldt at Gear Grotto.

Here's his presets PDF "kotelnikov-ge-compressor-presets.pdf" with presets:

Thanks!

Here is the direct link to the pdf at: "Center for lydteknik", should the YouTube link stop working at some point.