Has anyone ever made a realistic trumpet sound for Serum or Vital?

[juno987654321]

I wonder if this is possible at all because I have never seen a tutorial or a preset for a trumpet sound in Serum (or Vital).
For saxophone I won't ask. I just assume that this would be impossible.
But what about trumpets? Can they only be sampled then?
How close could you still emulate this sound? Maybe it would be possible in combination with Vital's comb filter or something?
I'd be glad for some uploads and maybe a few general explanations to share on the obviously rather difficult design if you have indeed tried this before.

[CHOOS]

I might be wrong but I remember seeing a video from Synth Hacker on youtube who had a very good brass sound imported into Serum as a wavetable.
It wouldn't be too hard to do something similar for a trumpet or sax you would need to get a sample that you'd like for that though.

Just had a look on YT for the video
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[dark water]

@ juno987654321, my quick answer is no.
I strongly believe that you and I (and the vast majority of people) could tell the difference between a synth-created trumpet / saxophone lead melody versus a real acoustic trumpet / saxophone part (particularly if it was played by an experienced trumpeter or saxophonist).
I might be wrong however?

As noted by CHOOS, brief synth-created brass-like 'stab' sounds etc are fairly decent nowadays.
But it becomes a question of how elaborately and how plentiful you want your trumpet / saxophone part to be in your musical track.

For example, there is an interesting orchestral preset bank made for Serum by KSHMR and 7 Skies which I sometimes use if I don't mind a synth-sounding brass element in my arrangements (and if I don't think the listeners will care either regarding synth sounds for that specific musical tune):


However, I doubt this would fool many people into believing they were hearing a real (acoustic) trumpet / saxophone arrangement played by a seasoned trumpeter etc.

So the answer to your question all boils down to what you are hoping to achieve with the brass parts in your songs:
Are they short stabs merged into an arrangement or are they longer and more evident solo lead melody lines etc?


Lastly, depending upon your ambition for a track, it might be worth instead just scoring some brass part(s) using a synth and then liaising with an online professional trumpeter / saxophonist to provide a real recording of the brass part.
In the past decade, a number of websites have arisen which now offer such professionals for hire, for a range of prices, and it's the route that I would go down (rather than using a sample library or synth preset) if I really wanted a substantial brass part to sound authentic in one of my arrangements.

[GRUMP]

As both neither cover the full harmonic spectrum (odd harmonics) nor spectral envelopes surely not really - but that depends on your taste, too. Hundreds of DX7 flutes, brasses and even choirs show that "realism" is lastly subjective.

[Tannaliini]

For example, there is an interesting orchestral preset bank made for Serum by KSHMR and 7 Skies which I sometimes use if I don't mind a synth-sounding brass element in my arrangements (and if I don't think the listeners will care either regarding synth sounds for that specific musical tune):

This sounds amazing
...anything like this for Vital?

[juno987654321]

Thanks for your thoughts on that so far.

I have seen that video, too, that Choos is kindly referring too, but I think this is basically sampling the sound and giving up (in a way), isn't it? As sound designers we want to simplify sounds and boil them down to s.th. more fundamental, reduce all that complexity, don't we?
Maybe there is basic waveshapes and "hidden" functions behind the trumpet sound but nobody has ever cracked them yet.
Maybe with special filters or FM modulation it would be possible but so far people just haven't found out much about it yet.
Just like in maths, in medicine or in IT it takes a while until people crack certain codes as humans develop...
It's certainly not easy to capture the movement and the full harmonic spectrum of more complex sounds. They are never static.

Anyway, I'm really into learning this art called sound design and I'd simply be very curious to take a closer look at some good examples of what's possible if you have them at hand. Arranging and playing music is nice, too, but of course for this I also prefer sampled sounds (sfz/sf2 files) or even the real instruments as dark water seems to suggest might often be more to the purpose.

Anyways, I'd like to focus on sound design and stay focussed at the moment. Maybe for educational purposes it's legitimate enough to share one of those synth presets of a trumpet sound with us to get a better impression of what is meant here - preferably for Serum or Vital because it's more visual and intelligible? I think if you tweak or rebuild a preset it can at a certain point even be called your own but to be honest I'm not into such legal or commercial issues that inhibit any educational progress. Never cared. I just want to know more about sound design because I love music and education...