Presonus Studio One - Survey / Competition 2021

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KVRAF
2367 posts since 30 Dec, 2014

Post Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:14 pm

Never seen Presonus do a google questionnaire before.... The second question clearly wants them to know if they are wasting their time having people pay a subscription to use Sphere at all or just to provide it for free to everyone... or really to not bother doing Sphere videos at all cause nobody is watching their live streams... just a few guesses. Never used Sphere... not interested in subsciptions :D... In any case, the survey is open atm... and you probably won't win anything by doing it.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp ... rmResponse

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396 posts since 13 Jul, 2021

Post Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:41 pm

If you complete it you can enter in to win a pair of monitors.

KVRAF

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2367 posts since 30 Dec, 2014

Post Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:27 pm

A rather beautiful Monitor.

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KVRian
1309 posts since 6 Mar, 2001 from London, UK

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:05 am

The problem with Presonus is that they don’t really know who to target the Studio One product at. Sphere gets you fifty-six bazillion cheesy soundsets and a bunch of plugs which, if you are a serious user you already have. The last major version introduced tools such as the Show Page which are directed firmly at the -sumer end of the Prosumer market. At the other end of the rainbow users who invest in Presonus hardware get a DAW that can’t multi-task properly with multicoloured rainbow plugs they already have twenty different third-party alternatives to.

Is it a toy for the kiddies or is it a professional DAW? Fix the multitasking and we’ll know. Or is it another ninety drum sample packs?

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KVRian
974 posts since 2 Sep, 2019

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:40 am

HanafiH wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:05 am
a DAW that can’t multi-task properly
Can you elaborate on this more?
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KVRAF
29595 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:11 am

Or on this:
HanafiH wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:05 am
Is it a toy for the kiddies or is it a professional DAW?
Or this:
HanafiH wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:05 am
Or is it another ninety drum sample packs?
On the other hand, I don't even think I'd be interesting in you elaborating on some troll stuff. :P
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KVRAF
10358 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:15 am

...and on this:
HanafiH wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:05 am
The last major version introduced tools such as the Show Page which are directed firmly at the -sumer end of the Prosumer market.
Show Page is rather directed at people actually playing live gigs, so - in current environment - that's as much pro as you can get. Unless by pros you only mean engineers & movie composers...
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KVRian
1309 posts since 6 Mar, 2001 from London, UK

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:34 am

jamcat wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:40 am
HanafiH wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:05 am
a DAW that can’t multi-task properly
Can you elaborate on this more?
https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... tcount=175

This and the post above it. In summary, Studio One forces VST based plugs to run on single CPU cores. All plugs on the same channel are forced onto the same single core. Some heavy duty VSTis are incapable of running on one single core and won't run in S1, and the only way around it is to REWIRE out to a secondary host such as Reaper.

If you do any kind of recording using a mic or DI box, you probably don't have any problems. If you do heavy duty plug based mixing, you'll need to Freeze down more frequently than is strictly needed, and if you use heavy duty VSTis, such as Serum in 4x 32 voice mode, you'll run out of CPU. Note having 18+ cores won't make any difference when everything gets get loaded onto a single core.

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KVRAF
29595 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:40 am

HanafiH wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:34 am
https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.ph ... tcount=175

This and the post above it. In summary, Studio One forces VST based plugs to run on single CPU cores. All plugs on the same channel are forced onto the same single core.
TBH, I thought that that's pretty much how any DAW does it.

Maybe I'm wrong.
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

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KVRian
974 posts since 2 Sep, 2019

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:09 am

Yeah, that’s my understanding of how it works, too. I thought that HanafiH was saying that multicore distribution was broken or only worked right on the first couple cores in Studio One.

I’m not sure how the GS user got multicore distribution of a single channel in REAPER. If REAPER is able to do that, definitely other developers should figure out how they got that. The generally understood way it has to be done is serial processes must be processed sequentially in a single thread, because each process is dependent on the previous process being completed first. Even if you are able to distribute serial processing over multiple threads/cores, there will be a lot of processor waiting, which will introduce significant inefficiency where all cores can only process as fast as the slowest core.

This same kind of bottleneck happens with group channel and master bus effects. Perhaps that is where REAPER figured out something clever to distribute more efficiently, if that’s really happening?
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KVRian
602 posts since 11 Mar, 2010

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:36 am

antic604 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:15 am
...and on this:
HanafiH wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:05 am
The last major version introduced tools such as the Show Page which are directed firmly at the -sumer end of the Prosumer market.
Show Page is rather directed at people actually playing live gigs, so - in current environment - that's as much pro as you can get. Unless by pros you only mean engineers & movie composers...
Yeah, I'm still on SO4, but I think Show Page is a really valuable ideia (at least for me). I don't think it's mature enough already, but it's very interesting to be able to do everything (from scratching a composition to playing it live) in one environment. I'm sure I'll at some point jump into it.

KVRian
571 posts since 30 Apr, 2018

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:14 am

I had to stop using S1 because of the lousy CPU performance. REAPER is truly unbeatable in that regard.

KVRAF
3158 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:49 am

Danilo Villanova wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:14 am
I had to stop using S1 because of the lousy CPU performance. REAPER is truly unbeatable in that regard.
May I ask at what buffer size you are working?
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KVRian
571 posts since 30 Apr, 2018

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:33 pm

Trancit wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:49 am
Danilo Villanova wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:14 am
I had to stop using S1 because of the lousy CPU performance. REAPER is truly unbeatable in that regard.
May I ask at what buffer size you are working?
64 bit, lol. I know it’s low but I need low latency for tracking guitars with amp sims. I can actually do that in S1, but it gets intense when I start adding more tracks/effects.

KVRAF
8886 posts since 16 Aug, 2006

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:43 pm

antic604 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:15 am
Show Page is rather directed at people actually playing live gigs, so - in current environment - that's as much pro as you can get. Unless by pros you only mean engineers & movie composers...
Well...to be fair...launching a feature aimed at live gigs during a pandemic [where live gigs have basically been prohibited] wasn't the best timing. :lol: But no way they could've known that.

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