Is the Cubase SE engine similar to the one in SX2?

[x_bruce]

As Steinberg says they are going to phase out upgrades from Cubase VST 5.1 I sold some old junky gear and got a copy of Cubase SE.

It seems much improved from VST 5.1 and in fact is more advanced than several of that synth's features. It's more intuitive but still at times a click-fest.

Mind you, I use Sonar Producer 3 and am not thrilled about it's new feature set. For me it's a lot of money to upgrade to. It's on a "wait and see list".

Cubase SE has a upgrade curve which is better then none with 5.1. btw, what's missing from SE vs 5.1 VST besides a few cheesy VSTi?

thanks in advance

[sidrat]

it's a different audio engine. this should help:

http://pinnacle.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/pi ... ZT0x&p_li=

[x_bruce]

Yeah, I have that on PDF but from a practical users standpoint is it a whole lot different in terms of look and feel?

I'm not sure what they mean about the audio engine, I assume that was a 2.x update which is mentioned in the list.

Honestly, the SE version sounds better than 5.1 VST.

[Stupid American Pig]

the only thing I would not like is the lack of a freeze, but Im sure its all the same codebase that is hamstringed by version...

[peppy197]

The comparison chart says it does not have the new 2.3 audio engine.

So I presume it does not have delay compensation which is a help in making it sound better.
Inasmuch as sounding different from anything in Windows 98SE, maybe the advantage is had by the software running in Win-XP ?

allen

[Armadillo]

Cubase SE is build upon Cubase SX 1 not SX 2.

[DevonB]

Cubase SE is build upon Cubase SX 1 not SX 2.

Bingo! I got it as well. I believe it was version 1.05, not even 1.06, but I'd have to load it up to check again. it is NOT SX 2.

Devon

[jens]

So I presume it does not have delay compensation which is a help in making it sound better.


allen

that's a strange way of saying it.

[DevonB]

So I presume it does not have delay compensation which is a help in making it sound better.


allen

that's a strange way of saying it.

And wouldn't make a difference if you don't use aux sends.

Devon

[jens]

So I presume it does not have delay compensation which is a help in making it sound better.


allen

that's a strange way of saying it.

And wouldn't make a difference if you don't use aux sends.

Devon

- whichever way: if you use a plugin which introduces delay and your host doesn't compensate for it (be it as a track-insert or as a send-effect) it will sound indeed terrible - so terrible that you can't use the plugin (if you don't help yourself with a trick which is only possible on inserts - there you go Devon ) - but to say it degrades the sound-quality if your host doesn't support pdc is utter nonsense.

[x_bruce]

Well, good.

Thanks Devon and Jens for the sensible engines. No offense to others but often I think some of us get hung up in very minor details and miss the question.

Now I know why SE seemed so fundementally different but also know that it's a nice little sequencer.

Anyone need a copy of Cubase VST 5.1 (manual, 3rd party book and of course Dongle? I'd prefer trades, but don't be insulting e.g. "how about a copy of LM4?" or "I've got a CD filled with SE synths and will transfer license on 2 of my $20 SE synths" nothing against SE or saleware SE, just illustrating a point. I support the SE community and like several of the payware synths.

I have no need for 5.1 VST but perhaps someone does?

[DevonB]

So I presume it does not have delay compensation which is a help in making it sound better.


allen

that's a strange way of saying it.

And wouldn't make a difference if you don't use aux sends.

Devon

- whichever way: if you use a plugin which introduces delay and your host doesn't compensate for it (be it as a track-insert or as a send-effect) it will sound indeed terrible - so terrible that you can't use the plugin (if you don't help yourself with a trick which is only possible on inserts - there you go Devon ) - but to say it degrades the sound-quality if your host doesn't support pdc is utter nonsense.

We were talking about Cubase here with does compensate for inserts though. No changing subjects in the middle!

Devon